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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    . I just wish bicyclists were required to contribute for the bike lanes set aside for them.
    Yeah, damn bicyclists! I'll tell what's worse. That's people walking outside and not paying a dime for sidewalks, cross walks and pedestrian crossing lanes. They should put toll meters on sidewalks and crosswalks like a toll bridge. A nickle a block and a dime to cross a street would be reasonable.

    It is infuriating and grossly unfair that people are always searching for things they can do without paying taxes for it.

    Doing anything that isn't taxed should be consider criminal conspiracy to evade taxes and those people do a little time in jail so they stop trying to get something in life for nothing. Maybe that way they'll come to appreciate everything the government does for them.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104
    Yeah, damn bicyclists! I'll tell what's worse. That's people walking outside and not paying a dime for sidewalks, cross walks and pedestrian crossing lanes. They should put toll meters on sidewalks and crosswalks like a toll bridge. A nickle a block and a dime to cross a street would be reasonable.
    LOL...

    Apples and oranges...

    The road taxes pay for bicycle lanes. Property owners pay for sidewalks. Sidewalks don't deteriorate with traffic like roads do.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When you combine both federal and state the average of tax paid per gallon is darn near 50 cents. But it is much higher in several states like California which currently is running close to 72 cents on the gallon probably due to their "designer" blends that they require. I find what people are paying in tax more than fair. I think some of the problem in maintaining our roads is due to the contractors that bid on these jobs and use sub-standard materials that don't hold up and end up having to be redone sooner than they should which means more guaranteed money/work for the contractors at a higher cost to the taxpayers.
    When anyone advocates higher federal taxes, they basically lie trying to convince that federal taxes are the only taxes people pay. Local, county and state taxes and endlessly more fees and fee increases have gone up tremendously. In may cities people no longer own their house, they rent in via property taxes. There is basically nothing anyone does or buys that doesn't have multiple layers of taxes on it.

    For example, in Florida $16.57 of your monthly cell phone bill is the Florida cell phone excise tax.
    There is a Florida excise tax of $6.50 per gallon of wine and gallon of liquor, and 47 cents per gallon of beer, and $1.34 on cigarettes.
    Yesterday I bought a battery for a vehicle. Taxes and fees accounted for over 25% of the total I paid.

    BUT those advocating Federal tax increases will try to convince people that Federal income taxes are the only taxes a person pays and then lament how little taxes people pay.

    Per-mile driving tax of course most hits working people on the bottom end of the economic level.

    This is another example of trying to reverse progressive taxation and make it so the middle and lower income classes increasingly pay a higher percentage of their income for taxes than the rich.

    A person driving a less than 20 mpg costly SUV doesn't want road taxes based on fuel usage. Nor does a person driving a Bentley or full sized luxury car or limosine. Rather, they want a flat per-mile tax. If they got their way, property taxes also would equally be a "per house" tax - same tax on all houses - rather than based on property value. Rather than sales taxes on the value of the car purchase, to have it the same no matter the value of the car.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    LOL...

    Apples and oranges...

    The road taxes pay for bicycle lanes. Property owners pay for sidewalks. Sidewalks don't deteriorate with traffic like roads do.

    Generally property owners do not pay for sidewalks. They do not pay for crosswalk signs. They do not pay for the paint on crosswalks. They do not pay for pedestrian signs. They don't pay for sidewalks at government facilities. They ONLY pay for a sidewalk in front of their house - if they have one - no place else. But you logic of trying to exempt yourself, property owners pay for roads because they paid for their driveway.

    Sidewalks deteriorate with nature and time, they don't last forever. But I get it! You don't ride a bicycle but do walk outside. So you want OTHER PEOPLE to pay YOUR WAY, while you want them to pay taxes for what they do AND what you do.

    Typical calling always for taxing OTHER PEOPLE more hypocrisy.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    I'd be quite happy, personally, if the taxes I pay for licensing my car, my driver's license, the gasoline taxes I pay, etc., all went directly to the maintenance of the roads and infrastructure I utilize on a daily basis and if that meant a more "user pay" formulae, I'd be all for it, with one proviso. Not a single cent of the taxes I pay for all these things car related will be used to fund public transit. Right now, all my taxes go into the government black hole and precious little of it comes back out in the form of roads, bridges, highway maintenance, etc. but a good chunk of it goes to fund public transit.

    If it's going to be "user pay", then the people who ride the buses and subways and LRTs etc. better start ponying up the actual cost of their rides.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When anyone advocates higher federal taxes, they basically lie trying to convince that federal taxes are the only taxes people pay. Local, county and state taxes and endlessly more fees and fee increases have gone up tremendously. In may cities people no longer own their house, they rent in via property taxes. There is basically nothing anyone does or buys that doesn't have multiple layers of taxes on it.

    For example, in Florida $16.57 of your monthly cell phone bill is the Florida cell phone excise tax.
    There is a Florida excise tax of $6.50 per gallon of wine and gallon of liquor, and 47 cents per gallon of beer, and $1.34 on cigarettes.
    Yesterday I bought a battery for a vehicle. Taxes and fees accounted for over 25% of the total I paid.

    BUT those advocating Federal tax increases will try to convince people that Federal income taxes are the only taxes a person pays and then lament how little taxes people pay.

    Per-mile driving tax of course most hits working people on the bottom end of the economic level.

    This is another example of trying to reverse progressive taxation and make it so the middle and lower income classes increasingly pay a higher percentage of their income for taxes than the rich.

    A person driving a less than 20 mpg costly SUV doesn't want road taxes based on fuel usage. Nor does a person driving a Bentley or full sized luxury car or limosine. Rather, they want a flat per-mile tax. If they got their way, property taxes also would equally be a "per house" tax - same tax on all houses - rather than based on property value. Rather than sales taxes on the value of the car purchase, to have it the same no matter the value of the car.
    I just think raising taxes of any kind at this particular time is the wrong thing to do be doing. With an increase in federal tax on gasoline it would be hard on the logistics and transportation industry causing just about everything we use and consume to go up in price.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Generally property owners do not pay for sidewalks. They do not pay for crosswalk signs. They do not pay for the paint on crosswalks. They do not pay for pedestrian signs. They don't pay for sidewalks at government facilities. They ONLY pay for a sidewalk in front of their house - if they have one - no place else. But you logic of trying to exempt yourself, property owners pay for roads because they paid for their driveway.

    Sidewalks deteriorate with nature and time, they don't last forever. But I get it! You don't ride a bicycle but do walk outside. So you want OTHER PEOPLE to pay YOUR WAY, while you want them to pay taxes for what they do AND what you do.

    Typical calling always for taxing OTHER PEOPLE more hypocrisy.
    I am primarily libertarian, but I do agree with a moderate amount of sharing our wealth for the public good.

    Off topic, I am upset that bicyclists are allowed to disregard driving laws, and get preferential treatment. At a minimum, I want them to be required to pay for yearly registration and have a license plate like cars must have, and carry insurance if they ride on the streets.

    I think enough is said on this topic for people reading our disagreement to make up their own minds.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    I couldn't care less if the electric cars get a free ride. There really isn't a significant number of them on the road anyways.

    The little gadget in your car for the government to track your mileage idea is insanely stupid and wasteful. All it will do is take money from the productive class and give it to leech class.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I couldn't care less if the electric cars get a free ride. There really isn't a significant number of them on the road anyways.

    The little gadget in your car for the government to track your mileage idea is insanely stupid and wasteful. All it will do is take money from the productive class and give it to leech class.
    I agree at this point in time. What about when they become the rule, rather than the exception? How do we pay for our roads?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    If all vehicles had the same degree of fuel efficiency, tracking by miles might make some sense. What, with the larger vehicles using the most gas AND causing the most wear on the highways, such a law isn't fair by basic design.
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