View Poll Results: Does it make sense that people driving more miles pay more tax?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Gas tax is usage tax. Really it is raising that tax - but with NO incentive for fuel efficiency - and getting people to believe others will pay more than you so it must be a great idea.

    Sounds like government is tired of greenies driving higher efficiency cars costing them money and want to put an end to their saving much money by fuel efficient cars. They'd rather a person driving a car that gets 8 mpg pays no more tax than someone who gets 40 mpg. To eliminate any tax benefit in fuel efficient and green cars.

    PLUS, they can't fuel-tax electric cars and they get them to pay more taxes.

    Basically, this is some states that want to declare tax war on green vehicles.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Gas tax is usage tax. Really it is raising that tax - but with NO incentive for fuel efficiency - and getting people to believe others will pay more than you so it must be a great idea.

    Sounds like government is tired of greenies driving higher efficiency cars costing them money and want to put an end to their saving much money by fuel efficient cars. They'd rather a person driving a car that gets 8 mpg pays no more tax than someone who gets 40 mpg. To eliminate any tax benefit in fuel efficient and green cars.

    PLUS, they can't fuel-tax electric cars and they get them to pay more taxes.

    Basically, this is some states that want to declare tax war on green vehicles.
    If they want money they can get it via registration or a surcharge. But then again that cancels out the incentives they are giving for people to buy them in the first place. God these government people are stupid.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Gas tax is usage tax. Really it is raising that tax - but with NO incentive for fuel efficiency - and getting people to believe others will pay more than you so it must be a great idea.

    Sounds like government is tired of greenies driving higher efficiency cars costing them money and want to put an end to their saving much money by fuel efficient cars. They'd rather a person driving a car that gets 8 mpg pays no more tax than someone who gets 40 mpg. To eliminate any tax benefit in fuel efficient and green cars.

    PLUS, they can't fuel-tax electric cars and they get them to pay more taxes.

    Basically, this is some states that want to declare tax war on green vehicles.
    I am ok with it, it might make some people move closer to where they work, Atlanta is a ridiculous place to drive from 3:00 to 6:00 pm

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

    The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

    WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

    The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
    They pay more through fuel tax.

    I do not support "black boxes". Luckily, at this point, I have no intentions of ever buying a new vehicle again. I will buy older models from now on and refurbish them. This is primarily due to my believes about the way EPA handles emissions and what it costs us. No government will be putting a black box into my vehicles, for any purpose, that is not already there. Period.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    if you have a cell phone or ON star it is already being done
    Are you using the "If private businesses are doing it then its okay for the government to do it" excuse?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    To the issue of hybrids: most hyrbids use the engine only during highway usage, since the batteries cannot power the vehicle sufficiently for such sustained cruising. So hybrid owners are paying what is imo their fair share for their use of the highway. They go electric only in city driving where the battery can be recharged by regenerative braking. I would think that the reduced air pollution caused by their zero emission operation would offset their wear and tear on the roads. Plus, hybrids by their very nature must be light vehicles, so they aren't tearing up the roads nearly as fast as any other kind of car. Nor can they go especially fast (Tesla Motors notwithstanding, those are rare toys for rich people).

    I guess that all this might be in preparation for a projected future when all electric vehicles are commonplace. I think a simpler solution would be to just charge a road use tax on electric charging at charging stations that would inevitably get put up around towns. Electric cars can be made to send a feedback signal to the meter to tell a smart meter when a car is being charged, so that your monthly bill can have appropriate taxes levied on it. Don't want the smart meter? OK. You'll pay a no smart meter surcharge every month.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My cellphone is a cheap 5 year old Samsung cricket phone which stays at home and I know how to read a map and street signs.
    Ever get around to buying an electrified ice box, pappy?
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    For those who use fuel, we are already taxed by the federal, state, and in some cases added county and city taxes. These are reasonable fair. Those using electric vehicles still pay energy taxes. Still, not enough to maintain our roads should most vehicles go to this form of energy.

    I can see adding a tax that is charged at the charging station, weather it be user owned or not. After all, in theory, the fuel tax is to maintain our roads. I just wish bicyclists were required to contribute for the bike lanes set aside for them.

    Now I am all for raising the federal fuel tax on gasoline. It has not gone up with inflation for how many years? It's still $0.184 per gallon, right?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Plus if they add cellular to it, every month they send dozens of tickets to each person for any traffic violations too.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    For those who use fuel, we are already taxed by the federal, state, and in some cases added county and city taxes. These are reasonable fair. Those using electric vehicles still pay energy taxes. Still, not enough to maintain our roads should most vehicles go to this form of energy.

    I can see adding a tax that is charged at the charging station, weather it be user owned or not. After all, in theory, the fuel tax is to maintain our roads. I just wish bicyclists were required to contribute for the bike lanes set aside for them.

    Now I am all for raising the federal fuel tax on gasoline. It has not gone up with inflation for how many years? It's still $0.184 per gallon, right?
    When you combine both federal and state the average of tax paid per gallon is darn near 50 cents. But it is much higher in several states like California which currently is running close to 72 cents on the gallon probably due to their "designer" blends that they require. I find what people are paying in tax more than fair. I think some of the problem in maintaining our roads is due to the contractors that bid on these jobs and use sub-standard materials that don't hold up and end up having to be redone sooner than they should which means more guaranteed money/work for the contractors at a higher cost to the taxpayers.

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