View Poll Results: Does it make sense that people driving more miles pay more tax?

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Maybe we could stop trying to figure out ways to stick it to the folks and just demand better management of our tax dollars by the government.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

    The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

    WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

    The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
    There should only be a flat 10% income tax, and no other kind of tax at all. No progressive tax system, and you know that's coming for travel just like with income. You won't just play a flat per-mile fee. The more miles you drive the more you will pay per-mile, just like income tax.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There should only be a flat 10% income tax, and no other kind of tax at all. No progressive tax system, and you know that's coming for travel just like with income. You won't just play a flat per-mile fee. The more miles you drive the more you will pay per-mile, just like income tax.
    I would be ok with a 10% flat fee, that is less than I pay now

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

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    So, how many more jobs are you willing to kill and small businesses are you willing to destroy to promote the Libbo agenda?
    None whatsoever. I'm trying to save jobs by stopping the conservative agenda of having tax payers pay for black boxes, and the taxes that go with them, so tax payers can use their money to buy goods and services and keep the economy going. Let the trucking firms pay for the roads if they tear them up--which they do IMO.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
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    None whatsoever. I'm trying to save jobs by stopping the conservative agenda of having tax payers pay for black boxes, and the taxes that go with them, so tax payers can use their money to buy goods and services and keep the economy going. Let the trucking firms pay for the roads if they tear them up--which they do IMO.
    How are you going to employ the truck drivers who lose their jobs, when their companies close the doors, because the new overhead cuts into their profits too much?

    Wouldn't you rather see the government stop mismanaging our money?
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Civilized life has been going great way before 1910.






    None whatsoever. I'm trying to save jobs by stopping the conservative agenda of having tax payers pay for black boxes, and the taxes that go with them, so tax payers can use their money to buy goods and services and keep the economy going. Let the trucking firms pay for the roads if they tear them up--which they do IMO.
    You seem to not know that Commercial trucks PAY for the roads and then some. That's ok most don't. Let me enlighten you. I own a trucking outfit so I know a thing or two about the situation.

    This is a cut and paste from another thread on the subject.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-sta...x-revenue.html

    Most people don't know how roads are built or how they are funded. I have experience in both. Out here in California they are lowball bid generally and contractors out here have pull with the powers that be in Caltrans and elsewhere, so they can get away usually with defective pours that aren't up to snuff. They also then sue the state later for more money and various contractual breaches. Its a racket for sure. So anyway, what happens is part of the highways concrete deteriorates abnormally fast and starts a chain of accelerated deterioration. Which is further exacerbated by the constant cutting and patching of said new road.

    There are lots of taxes for the roads you don't see and a lot of them are paid for by the prime users of the highway which is NOT you. Its commercial trucking that uses the road and pays significantly more taxes for it. There are excise taxes, fuel taxes, registration taxes, weight mile taxes, and fees for when a unit is over dimensional in some way.

    Federally there is 24cents a gallon fuel tax. 150 gallons for a typical fill up once a day is $36 in tax NOT including other tax. A 12% excise tax on new vehicles and tires parts ect. A new standard 3 axle tractor costs about $120,000 before tax. So 12% excise tax would be about $14,440 that does NOT include OTHER taxes in that purchase. Tires every other year if you go new which I do are about 350 (cheap Chinese tires, mine are Michelins which run about 400) or so a tire multiplied by 18 is $6300 without tax. The tax is $756 There yearly road tax which must be paid which called a 2290 and that's $550 a year. That's actually cheap.

    Then there is the State taxes. What you thought only the feds get a cut? Lets start with registration. About $2000+/- a year depending on the state. Then there is sales tax. Both on parts AND fuel. California has a fuel tax of 45cents a gallon. 150 gallon fill up everyday gets you $67.50 in tax. If I buy a truck or tires that's another 8.25% on top. If I haul a over dimensional or weight load its $16 per trip or $90 annually. That's VERY inexpensive compared to other states. Il is quite pricey mid three digits or so. Mississippi is the priciest they get confiscatory rates. Here's a dirty little secret for you. All federal highways are supposed to be able to handle military units with 70ton tanks on them. Another is that there is a max weight you can have per axel and tire, and the roads are designed to handle that weight and much more.

    I could go on but I think the point has been made. These guys don't need MORE money they need to spend the money they got on what its supposed to go to in the first place.

    I trust that sheds light on the actual situation. Believe me commercial trucking more than pays for the roads. The problem comes from the government using the funds not as intended. Our roads and bridges should be in excellent shape if they where actually allocated the funds they were supposed to have in the first place.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
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    So, in a sense, those who drive alot (truckers) ALREADY pay more than those who don't drive as much (people commuting to work from a suburb or some such.).
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    I have 5 kids that play in a park close by, ...should I pay more for the upkeep of the park then those people who never use the park at all?

    welcome to a nation of a billion taxes laws placed on usage and what behavior the citizen engages in.

    welcome to the massive government that must administer all of those laws.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Yes, let's change the rules so city folks can get country folks to pay 100 times as much taxes for driving. Those damn rich farmers who refuse to pay more like they ought too!

    Notice, those government people with 1,000,001 new ways to get more tax money anyway possible don't mention they will shift 95% of highway patrol and road repairs and building to rural areas along with this, do they?

    The concept that you actually get something in direct return is a totally bizarre and unacceptable concept in government. That only exists in the private sector. What you get from government is just always reasons claiming why you should support them getting more money - usually claiming it will come from someone else that you get a benefit from if they do.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    So, in a sense, those who drive alot (truckers) ALREADY pay more than those who don't drive as much (people commuting to work from a suburb or some such.).
    Not in a sense, in actuality. We pay for the roads we use and then some. A lot of the funds in the highway trust fund are NOT used for highways, but light rail, bike paths, and beautification projects and a bunch of other horse****. Quite frankly we could have heated lighted and gold plated roads with all the money we send to the trust. You would think with bridges falling into rivers that someone would get the hint and actually use the funds as intended. But what do I know?
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