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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Sigh...I'm getting tired of waiting for the people to stand up against the government spying on them.

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    One thing that I would like to see is the use of more railroads--the trucks do more to damage to our highways than cars do. Why not increase fines for overweight and speeding trucks?
    Commercial vehicles pay the Heavy Road Use Tax, so they're already paying extra.

    More regulations and higher fines will just hamper the private market more than it already is.

    You can put as much rail transportation in place as you want and you'll still never get away from trucks.

    Another thing that could save money is have diesel trucks convert to natural gas. Those that do not pay a penalty.
    Who's going to pay for that crap?
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    For two reasons, electrics don't use gas and plug in hybrids depending on how they are driven might not use any for a year or so.

    Secondly how else would the government track where you are going for crime fighting or as anti terrorism actions. You might leave your cell phone at home
    Hybrid drivers should pay a usage tax, while gas burner drivers keep paying taxes when they buy fuel. Simple.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Commercial vehicles pay the Heavy Road Use Tax, so they're already paying extra.
    But they're also tearing up extra too.




    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who's going to pay for that crap?
    The trucking firms. I sure don't want to pay for black boxes and than let them record how much taxes I have to pay for trucks ripping up the highways and rural roads.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    it is not exactly the same, people with trucks probably drive less than people in californina with those small cars, if they drive more they should pay more
    Gas tax is currently the easiest way of gauging driving amount.

    Because a gas tax obviously increases gas prices, it has the added benefit of discouraging the use of low-MPG vehicles (good for the environment?) and encouraging driving habits which prevent excessive gas use (as in, not driving fast, not accelerating rapidly, ets).

    Until and unless hybrid vehicles and vehicles that use no gas become the a large percentage of the vehicles on the road, this is the best and simplest way to tax driving.
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue

    The devices would track every mile you drive —possibly including your location — and the government would use the data to draw up a tax bill.

    WASHINGTON — As America's road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

    The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

    A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue - latimes.com
    My answer would be "No," not "no, usage tax is unfair." For this reason: Most people can't say how much they'll drive in the future. Also, it would be too complicated to try to track that sort of thing. Third, a heavier vehicle or one with certain tires, or driven a certain way, would be more damaging to a roadway than a different one driven more miles. Fourth, it depends on which roads you use that would determine how much damage and wear you would do. Driving your big Suburban around neighborhoods every day for years, for carpooling or whatever, would be much more damaging than one 1,000 mile trip on interstate highways.

    As for your "I could care less" choice, I think you mean "I could not care less."

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Gas tax is currently the easiest way of gauging driving amount.

    Because a gas tax obviously increases gas prices, it has the added benefit of discouraging the use of low-MPG vehicles (good for the environment?) and encouraging driving habits which prevent excessive gas use (as in, not driving fast, not accelerating rapidly, ets).

    Until and unless hybrid vehicles and vehicles that use no gas become the a large percentage of the vehicles on the road, this is the best and simplest way to tax driving.
    I disagree, it penalizes those that need larger vehicles. People in metro areas should pay more because many travel 1-2 hours to work everyday

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    My answer would be "No," not "no, usage tax is unfair." For this reason: Most people can't say how much they'll drive in the future. Also, it would be too complicated to try to track that sort of thing. Third, a heavier vehicle or one with certain tires, or driven a certain way, would be more damaging to a roadway than a different one driven more miles. Fourth, it depends on which roads you use that would determine how much damage and wear you would do. Driving your big Suburban around neighborhoods every day for years, for carpooling or whatever, would be much more damaging than one 1,000 mile trip on interstate highways.

    As for your "I could care less" choice, I think you mean "I could not care less."
    I meant what was posted

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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I disagree, it penalizes those that need larger vehicles. People in metro areas should pay more because many travel 1-2 hours to work everyday
    Your penalize is my discourage. They're the same thing, really.


    So you're saying that road use should gauge tax amount, rather than gas use? Or in addition to?
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    Re: Does it make more sense that people driving most, pay the most tax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    But they're also tearing up extra too.
    They also make civilized life possible, too.




    The trucking firms. I sure don't want to pay for black boxes and than let them record how much taxes I have to pay for trucks ripping up the highways and rural roads.
    So, how many more jobs are you willing to kill and small businesses are you willing to destroy to promote the Libbo agenda?
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