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For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

Will you sign up for obamacare

  • I voted for obama and will pay the fine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    9
If your employer insurance is terrible it will not meet the new standards and you will be forced onto obamacare.

It isn't terrible because of price. It's terrible because of coverage.

My insurance is considered affordable under Obamacare, and I will be able to stay with it if I want to. We have already had the briefing on this.
 
It isn't terrible because of price. It's terrible because of coverage.

My insurance is considered affordable under Obamacare, and I will be able to stay with it if I want to. We have already had the briefing on this.

I am losing my catastrophic insurance because the coverage does not meet obamacare standards so your coverage must not be all that bad. Has your insurance changed in any way? Are your premiums going up at all?
 
Here's the numbers for you kids still getting insured by mommy. This is what you will pay when they can't baby sit you any more and you buy your own insurance. Assuming you make 50 k you will pay over $2,500 a year for Obama care.

Subsidy Calculator | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

talk about childish snobs. You are the epitome of a terrible partisan, sawyer.
Did you make this poll so you could bully all the young'uns about having decent insurance or what?
 
Typical lib, want to talk about me instead of the subject.

well aren't you asking for it?

You're calling people stupid libs and childish snobs and little babies.

Get out of my business, dammit, you don't know me.
 
Can you explain what you mean?

We are giving the Federal government, or more accurately they have taken over a huge part of the economy. It's expensive. Wether you understand this or not, people are the only tax payers in the country. Business doesn't pay tax. They collect tax from people and either turn it over to the government or shelter it so they can keep it. To pay for this huge entitlement and all the other pet projects of our representatives there is only one source of revenue. People.

To generate the revenue needed to pay for a huge Federal bureaucracy there are two choices. Increase taxes on people or grow the economy. The economy can only grow with a healthy private sector. Increasing taxes on people takes money from the private sector and inhibits growth. Obama's entitlement policies are anti growth, so the only option left to pay for the bureaucracy is taxation.

The bloated federal government has now created so much debt that the people who created it, will not be alive to pay for it. You my young friend will have to work to pay the debt.

A trillion dollars seems like just another number, larger than a billion but we can handle it can't we? If we paid off a trillion dollar debt at the rate of a dollar a second, it would take 32,000 years to pay off that debt. We are in debt seventeen trillion dollars. You will spend your life paying off the debt your parents and I racked up and the debt will last after you grow old and die.

Paying off the debt will not be possible in your lifetime and yet we continually find creative ways to add to it, just like Obamacare. We are exchanging the land of the free and the home of the brave for the land of indentured servants hiding behind the patriot act.

Good luck with your future.
 
So far one young lib has answered the poll. Most kids were probably out partying last night and aren't even up yet so I will let this sit for the day and check back this evening. I really do hope for some honest answers but so far I am only getting dodged. I think the 20's crowd that voted for Obama just does not want to answer this question. I wonder why.:)
 
well aren't you asking for it?

You're calling people stupid libs and childish snobs and little babies.

Get out of my business, dammit, you don't know me.

I respond to childish comments appropriately and you are obviously a little boy getting insurance from mommy. You have answered my question without trying to.
 
I am losing my catastrophic insurance because the coverage does not meet obamacare standards so your coverage must not be all that bad. Has your insurance changed in any way? Are your premiums going up at all?

No, it's pretty abysmal. Honestly, I'd probably do just as well on catastrophic insurance in almost any situation except being diagnosed with an extremely expensive life-long disorder.

I don't know. My company changes providers every year or two for exactly this reason: there are no insurance companies offering decent coverage to companies whose largest employee segment is young professionals without kids. My company's approach has just been to change it whenever some other provider offers a slight advantage. But if we stay with this provider, no, they aren't changing anything.

It's entirely possible our provider will change. But that's nothing new, and not related to Obamacare.
 
So far one young lib has answered the poll. Most kids were probably out partying last night and aren't even up yet so I will let this sit for the day and check back this evening. I really do hope for some honest answers but so far I am only getting dodged. I think the 20's crowd that voted for Obama just does not want to answer this question. I wonder why.:)

Perhaps because you left out an option: they will stay with their employer's insurance. That's why I didn't vote. None of your answers suit me.
 
We are giving the Federal government, or more accurately they have taken over a huge part of the economy. It's expensive. Wether you understand this or not, people are the only tax payers in the country. Business doesn't pay tax. They collect tax from people and either turn it over to the government or shelter it so they can keep it. To pay for this huge entitlement and all the other pet projects of our representatives there is only one source of revenue. People.

To generate the revenue needed to pay for a huge Federal bureaucracy there are two choices. Increase taxes on people or grow the economy. The economy can only grow with a healthy private sector. Increasing taxes on people takes money from the private sector and inhibits growth. Obama's entitlement policies are anti growth, so the only option left to pay for the bureaucracy is taxation.

The bloated federal government has now created so much debt that the people who created it, will not be alive to pay for it. You my young friend will have to work to pay the debt.

A trillion dollars seems like just another number, larger than a billion but we can handle it can't we? If we paid off a trillion dollar debt at the rate of a dollar a second, it would take 32,000 years to pay off that debt. We are in debt seventeen trillion dollars. You will spend your life paying off the debt your parents and I racked up and the debt will last after you grow old and die.

Paying off the debt will not be possible in your lifetime and yet we continually find creative ways to add to it, just like Obamacare. We are exchanging the land of the free and the home of the brave for the land of indentured servants hiding behind the patriot act.

Good luck with your future.

No need to dumb it down for me, I understand the concepts of economics, debt, and deficit.
In fact, it seems to me that your concept of how our debt problem can be solved is incorrect.
American debt is much owed to ourselves. Do you understand this?
We claim 89 cents to every dollar we owe china. We are not indentured servants to a foreign country.
Countries can operate with over 100 percent debt. Look at the UK.
We're in debt now, but are you really feeling like our country is crumbling into economic ruin?

Also, you failed to mention the correlation between Obama and Obamacare.
 
I respond to childish comments appropriately and you are obviously a little boy getting insurance from mommy. You have answered my question without trying to.

I am sorry you are insensitive and know nothing about my background. Please continue your name-calling. I cannot have a civilized debate with you.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Personal attacks, knock them off.
 
Why no option for "I don't need to sign up?" I have insurance and I'm not alone. Seems like this is yet another dishonest poll.
 
I know a lib when I read one by their attitude. You are a young lib that won't answer the question in the OP and the reason is you don't want to admit daddy buys your insurance or that you will take the fine.
You seem to think liberal is a bad word. Not quite sure why and I'm young?

Boy opinions are like butt holes aren't they.
 
No need to dumb it down for me, I understand the concepts of economics, debt, and deficit.
In fact, it seems to me that your concept of how our debt problem can be solved is incorrect.
American debt is much owed to ourselves. Do you understand this?
We claim 89 cents to every dollar we owe china. We are not indentured servants to a foreign country.
Countries can operate with over 100 percent debt. Look at the UK.
We're in debt now, but are you really feeling like our country is crumbling into economic ruin?

Also, you failed to mention the correlation between Obama and Obamacare.

Glad you are beyond most of your piers in high school. Many liberals believe that the economy is the same as the federal budget. The economy happens on main street, not on Wall Street or Pennsylvania Avenue.

You're right that most of the money we owe, we owe to ourselves. We still owe it. There's a problem with that because the debt is mainly owed to the entitlement programs we created for social security and medicaid. Those programs have serious financial problems because when they were created life expectancy was 62 years and now it's 85. As baby boomers retire there won't be enough of you to pay for them. That's the problem with owing money to ourselves.

We aren't indentured servants to a foreign country. We are indentured to Washington. We have slipped from the worlds leader in economic liberty to number ten behind countries like Chile, Denmark and Canada. As government grows, liberty shrinks.

Europe is a good example of the expanding social contract. Standard unemployment in Germany is 10 percent. Ours used to be between four and five. There is a reason that people in Great Britain have poor dental care. Dentists can't make money there so there is a shortage. I wouldn't look to Europe as a model culture.

There is no utopia. The best system for humans is maximum liberty, freedom, respect for the rights of others and personal responsibility.
 
I know you can't really sign up for obamacare yet because his site is so screwed up but I am wondering how many of you under 30 people in here will sign up when you can. Most of you voted for him so I expect you to go along with his agenda but we shall see.

I didn't see any option for "I didn't vote for Obama and will neither sign up nor pay the fine."

That'd be my option, as I already have relatively good health insurance.
 
We have slipped from the worlds leader in economic liberty to number ten behind countries like Chile, Denmark and Canada. As government grows, liberty shrinks.

Just to point out some of the irony in your post, all three of those countries have universal public health care.
 
I know you can't really sign up for obamacare yet because his site is so screwed up

I used the website on Friday and I signed up.

I'm not under 30 but I did want to correct the misinformation about the website not working.

vasuderatorrent
 
Just to point out some of the irony in your post, all three of those countries have universal public health care.

The logistics of dealing with a small population make that understandable but no country measured forces it's citizens to buy a product.

Here are the criteria used in the study I quoted.

Q.3. How do you measure economic freedom?
We measure ten components of economic freedom, assigning a grade in each using a scale from 0 to 100, where 100 represents the maximum freedom. The 10 economic freedoms are grouped into four broad categories or pillars of economic freedom:

Rule of Law (property rights, freedom from corruption);
Limited Government (fiscal freedom, government spending);
Regulatory Efficiency (business freedom, labor freedom, monetary freedom); and
Open Markets (trade freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom).
Each of the freedoms within these four broad categories is individually scored on a scale of 0 to 100. A country's overall economic freedom score is a simple average of its scores on the 10 individual freedoms. Detailed information about the methodology used to score each component is contained in the appendix.

2013 Index of Economic Freedom | The Heritage Foundation
 
The logistics of dealing with a small population make that understandable but no country measured forces it's citizens to buy a product.

Quick note, prior to me reading the entire study.

All of the nations that rate above the United States in economic liberty provide universal healthcare. Sure you could throw out the notion that a smaller population would be easier to manage in this respect, but it's all relative if you ask me.
 
Quick note, prior to me reading the entire study.

All of the nations that rate above the United States in economic liberty provide universal healthcare. Sure you could throw out the notion that a smaller population would be easier to manage in this respect, but it's all relative if you ask me.

Massachusetts has universal coverage. they managed it, regardless of what I think. Their population is closer to Denmark than that of the United States and I would wager that it hasn't harmed their economy as much as Obamacare will harm ours. We have 350,000,000 people and we are witnessing the Federal government's ability to keep their **** together.

I would say that forcing everyone to buy insurance would have a deleterious effect on our economic freedom.
 
Massachusetts has universal coverage. they managed it, regardless of what I think. Their population is closer to Denmark than that of the United States and I would wager that it hasn't harmed their economy as much as Obamacare will harm ours. We have 350,000,000 people and we are witnessing the Federal government's ability to keep their **** together.

With Massachusetts, I agree. They have managed their system, sure it is far from perfect, but it seems to be working.

I also agree with your take on the ACA, it will absolutely be harmful to our economy. Through reading the Heritage Foundation Study that you've referenced, I'd say the ACA is akin to "rent seeking" more than anything. I am by no means a supporter of the ACA, and honestly feel that this is a corporatism at it's finest (or lowest depending upon your take).

Personally, I feel that the government should provide Universal Health care. This is not a 'big government' solution in my mind, but a gateway to economic freedom for individuals. I'd hold up nations like Switzerland, South Korea, Japan or Chile as prime examples as to how this could work. I'd also hold them up as shining examples, according the the study, that Universal Health Care is not detrimental to economic freedom.

If you actually read the works of Adam Smith, I believe that in this day in age he would be a proponent of a Universal Health Care system, as he was a proponent of quality public education. To me it just makes sense, both financially and morally.



I would say that forcing everyone to buy insurance would have a deleterious effect on our economic freedom.

I absolutely agree. Either we go single payer, or the government keeps out of the business. The notion of having the Government mandate us to purchase a product from private companies is absurd and a prime example of "rent seeking," as defined by the study.
 
Can't vote in this poll. I voted for Obama and already have health insurance, so I can't sign up or pay a fine.
 
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