View Poll Results: Will you sign up for obamacare

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  • I voted for obama and will sign up

    5 31.25%
  • I voted for obama and will pay the fine

    1 6.25%
  • I didn't vote for obama but will sign up

    2 12.50%
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Thread: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    With Massachusetts, I agree. They have managed their system, sure it is far from perfect, but it seems to be working.

    I also agree with your take on the ACA, it will absolutely be harmful to our economy. Through reading the Heritage Foundation Study that you've referenced, I'd say the ACA is akin to "rent seeking" more than anything. I am by no means a supporter of the ACA, and honestly feel that this is a corporatism at it's finest (or lowest depending upon your take).

    Personally, I feel that the government should provide Universal Health care. This is not a 'big government' solution in my mind, but a gateway to economic freedom for individuals. I'd hold up nations like Switzerland, South Korea, Japan or Chile as prime examples as to how this could work. I'd also hold them up as shining examples, according the the study, that Universal Health Care is not detrimental to economic freedom.

    If you actually read the works of Adam Smith, I believe that in this day in age he would be a proponent of a Universal Health Care system, as he was a proponent of quality public education. To me it just makes sense, both financially and morally.





    I absolutely agree. Either we go single payer, or the government keeps out of the business. The notion of having the Government mandate us to purchase a product from private companies is absurd and a prime example of "rent seeking," as defined by the study.
    My personal opinion is that health care is not a right, it's a product. The government has no responsibility to supply it however I acknowledge that every civil society should have mechanisms to help those in need. The issue here is who pays. I say the individual is responsible, not the collective. The further government involves itself in health care the fewer choices we will have, the quality of care will suffer as will research and development.

    It's important to note however that Obamacare is not a health care bill. It's an insurance bill and the sooner people see it for what it is, the sooner it will head to the scrap heap of stupid ideas.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know you can't really sign up for obamacare yet because his site is so screwed up but I am wondering how many of you under 30 people in here will sign up when you can. Most of you voted for him so I expect you to go along with his agenda but we shall see.
    Uh you're missing an option because there's a lot of people who wont be signing up and also not paying the fine, like myself for example.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know you can't really sign up for obamacare yet because his site is so screwed up but I am wondering how many of you under 30 people in here will sign up when you can. Most of you voted for him so I expect you to go along with his agenda but we shall see.
    I am not under 30 but I did sign up. My coverage starts on January 1, 2014 and it costs me $60.64 for my wife and me. The policy costs $547.64 per month but I only pay $60.64. I guess I will receive a subsidy because my income is only $32,532.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    My personal opinion is that health care is not a right, it's a product. The government has no responsibility to supply it however I acknowledge that every civil society should have mechanisms to help those in need. The issue here is who pays. I say the individual is responsible, not the collective. The further government involves itself in health care the fewer choices we will have, the quality of care will suffer as will research and development.
    On this we definitely have diverging opinions, for several reasons.

    1. I do actually believe that health care is as much of a right as police/ fire protection or education. I am a big free-market type of person, but I believe that in order for the markets to be truly free, individuals need the ability to live knowing that some things will be taken care of and contemporarily speaking I see health care as societally important as (again) both police/ fire protection and education. I also think that people like our beloved Adam Smith would agree.

    2. As far as who pays, I again go back to my free-market approach. I am going to be paying for my health care, regardless of the outcome as I have a decent income. That being the case, empirical evidence is on the side of universal health care actually lowering the per capital cost of health related costs. Every developed nation with a publicly provided Universal Health Care system has costs much lower than those in the U.S.

    3. As far as choices, I believe that the prohibitive nature of the costs have already reduced the 'choice' that the overwhelming majority of Americans have. Making this a Universally provided service would be no different than arguing that I cannot call another Fire Department when my house is on fire.


    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It's important to note however that Obamacare is not a health care bill. It's an insurance bill and the sooner people see it for what it is, the sooner it will head to the scrap heap of stupid ideas.
    That is exactly right, and why I am patiently waiting for people to see this for what it is.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I am not under 30 but I did sign up. My coverage starts on January 1, 2014 and it costs me $60.64 for my wife and me. The policy costs $547.64 per month but I only pay $60.64. I guess I will receive a subsidy because my income is only $32,532.
    I haven't really looked into the Health Care exchange yet, but was curious if you knew the name of the company that you'd be using as a provider from the website.

    So, say I was to buy a plan, would I be informed about who was the issuing insurer?

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Lots of kids in here saying I didn't list enough options in the poll but really I only needed two. Either you will sign up or you won't and apparently for one reason or another the vast majority of you won't. This is important because Obama himself says he needs you guys signing up in droves for his plan to even have a snowballs chance in Hell of succeeding. What your answers tell me is that for whatever reason you will decline to be a part of the signature policy the president you elected is begging you to join. Without the under 30 vote this yo yo never would have become pres in the first place and now you refuse to be part of his socialist agenda. Think about that and learn from your mistake.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know you can't really sign up for obamacare yet because his site is so screwed up but I am wondering how many of you under 30 people in here will sign up when you can. Most of you voted for him so I expect you to go along with his agenda but we shall see.
    Aso, I didn't think to add my specifics:

    Age- 28
    Voting- Didn't vote for Obama (independent candidate)
    Insurance- I will not need to enroll in the market place, nor pay a fine because I already have comprehensive health insurance.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    I still think that the poll options were disingenuous. Someone could've, theoretically voted for him while still thinking that his health care agenda is flawed. Often a candidate isn't completely ideal for any particular voter and one must weigh the good with the bad.

    For me Gary Johnson was the most suitable choice, even though I knew full well that he wasn't going to get elected.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Without the under 30 vote this yo yo never would have become pres in the first place and now you refuse to be part of his socialist agenda.
    I think you've made mistake in calling it 'socialist.' I believe that Corporatist is the operative term for that sort of program.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Aso, I didn't think to add my specifics:

    Age- 28
    Voting- Didn't vote for Obama (independent candidate)
    Insurance- I will not need to enroll in the market place, nor pay a fine because I already have comprehensive health insurance.
    If you didn't vote for president s*** for brains I have no problem with you not going on his insurance, have a nice day.

    EDIT: I think the Hawks are on and they have a shot this year.

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    Re: For the under 30 crowd in here [W:38]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Why no option for "I don't need to sign up?" I have insurance and I'm not alone. Seems like this is yet another dishonest poll.
    A dishonest poll from a dishonest person.

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