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    Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I don't necessarily believe that raises handed out to current teachers would result in enhanced performance, but wage hikes in the field in general would likely do much to lure brighter minds away from more lucrative fields.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    The limitations of public sector jobs include the reality that SOMEONE has to pay the bill for employees. As valuable as teachers and other public workers are, they do not generate cashflow so it isnt feasible to pay them an unlimited salary. Nor is it necessary. Teachers get paid decent. Not great, but not bad and there are certainly some tradeoffs. Im married to an English professor and her family has several educators so I see the long hours, the uncompensated time spent doing the job. Its part of it. But salary isnt what makes a good teacher and unfortunately there are FAR TOO MANY teachers that are stealing their paycheck.

    Education is such a complex picture. Great teachers can work their butt off in some schools and see minimal results because the education climate is just so very bad. Lack of parent involvement both in the schools and at home is probably the greatest predictor of success in the schools. No salary in the world is going to fix that.

    If you want real change and quality education, you have to be prepared to make radical changes. Make school attendance beyond a certain grade a privilege to be earned. Create tech high schools, kick people out that dont belong in school. Lots of changes.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    "Them that can do, them that can't teach". I myself know three people who went into teaching after age 40 because they failed at everything else.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Lack of parent involvement both in the schools and at home is probably the greatest predictor of success in the schools. No salary in the world is going to fix that.
    I agree with you on that, but one must remember that most likely one is going to see both parents working nowadays--regardless if they're blue collar or white.

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    Create tech high schools, kick people out that dont belong in school. Lots of changes.
    I always thought that tech high schools are in the near future--sometimes I actually wonder why they're not commonplace by now. And there are plenty of kids that go to school just to stand outside and smoke cigarettes. GEDS are in their future.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    Well, California has proven rather conclusively that high teacher pay does not correlate to quality education. Just as spending per pupil doesn't correlate.

    The fix will not come from pay, or quality of classroom, it will come when education removes social justice from it's focus, and returns to Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I voted no, but if teacher unions were broke up and all were paid on a performance scale I might have voted yes

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Teacher pay has to be competitive, or the best minds will go elsewhere.
    but, throwing money at education is not going to fix anything. What needs to be done is to de centralize the schools. Close down the Department of Education. Dissolve the attendance boundaries and allow parents to choose the best school just as they choose the best supermarket. Allow each individual school, not the state or federal government, to set standards, and include student behavior in those standards. If the student can't meet those standards, he can flunk out and have to find a school with lower standards.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I agree with you on that, but one must remember that most likely one is going to see both parents working nowadays--regardless if they're blue collar or white.

    I always thought that tech high schools are in the near future--sometimes I actually wonder why they're not commonplace by now. And there are plenty of kids that go to school just to stand outside and smoke cigarettes. GEDS are in their future.
    Both parents in the workplace is not a valid reason for abandoning their kids education and lives. Not being argumentative...just sayin. And I agree about the GED thing...I think we could do everyone a tremendous service by speeding that process along. Reduce class sizes by getting rid of those that dont want to be there. Dont force butts in seats...make it a privilege to stay there.

    The thing is...it SOUNDS mean and uncaring, but really its just the opposite.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    You're right, there is no correlation between teacher pay and teacher quality at public schools. That's because public school teachers are unionized bureaucrats who cannot be incentivized to produce a quality product no matter how much they are paid. Only a private enterprise can truly produce an efficient, high-quality education.

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