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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A voucher system may or may not be the same as parental choice. Some of the systems proposed only pay a portion of the cost, leaving the rest up to the parents. Some only kick in if the school is deemed to be "failing." No, it would be better to simply pay all accredited schools the same per student, and let the local educators run them, let the parents choose which school they like t he best. This would blur the distinction between public and private schools, as any school could be accredited. They would have to teach the basics, hire qualified, credentialed teachers, and that would be about it.
    Just as part of the discussion:

    #1 - You say "let the parents choose which school they like the best". Schools have a certain number of seats. Let's say 500 for an Elementary School. 1000 families choose to put their children in the same school. Must that school accept all students? Who is responsibile for the additional transportation requirements?

    #2 - I'm a responsible parent, I research the area and buy a house across the street from the school I want my children to attend, do I get first shot at my neighborhood school or do I have to now compete for a slot?


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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Teacher pay has to be competitive, or the best minds will go elsewhere.
    Sounds right, but competitive with what? A good teacher is not just knowledgeable in his or her field (our shallow curricula do not require all that much knowledge, really) - he or she is charismatic, "good with people", flexible, and absolutely relentless.

    Sounds like a profile of successful entrepreneur, doesn't it?

    Well, there's absolutely no way teachers' pay can compete with the potential rewards of a future Elon Musk or Sergey Brin.

    Quite simply, people who love to teach should be teaching - and they would do it for a modest compensation, as they always did throughout history.

    Now, is there enough of them? Maybe there's, we are just looking for them in wrong places: we keep thinking about young people becoming and staying professional "pedagogues". Maybe, instead, we should try hard to induce the retired or retiring folks to consider a second career in teaching. They would come with real-life experiences, superior knowledge in their former areas of expertise - and with lesser dependence on the paycheck, as a rule.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Now, is there enough of them? Maybe there's, we are just looking for them in wrong places: we keep thinking about young people becoming and staying professional "pedagogues". Maybe, instead, we should try hard to induce the retired or retiring folks to consider a second career in teaching. They would come with real-life experiences, superior knowledge in their former areas of expertise - and with lesser dependence on the paycheck, as a rule.

    We already do with programs such as "Troops to Teachers" and "Career Switcher" programs that provide alternative paths to certification. Our office hires 150-200 teachers a year, these programs (while providing some excellent candidates) don't come close in terms of numbers required for normal turnover.


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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    You must not care about teachers or the children's future. Teachers should be starting out at $300,000 per year.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Do you think the anti Christian zealots would campaign to proscribe any mention of God in parochial schools?

    As soon as you allow the government to extend or remove approval, you are removing the freedom from those that are required to gain the approval, even if the people allowing it are the ones who are seeking the approval benefits.
    No doubt religion would have to be taught separately and funded by the church, much like kids who go to Catechism or seminary do currently.

    We had a charter school closed in this area as they were teaching Islam in a publicly funded school. That sort of thing is still a violation of the First Amendment, but all they have to do is have one more period before or after regular classes, and pay for it from the church funds and it's all legal.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Just as part of the discussion:

    #1 - You say "let the parents choose which school they like the best". Schools have a certain number of seats. Let's say 500 for an Elementary School. 1000 families choose to put their children in the same school. Must that school accept all students? Who is responsibile for the additional transportation requirements?

    #2 - I'm a responsible parent, I research the area and buy a house across the street from the school I want my children to attend, do I get first shot at my neighborhood school or do I have to now compete for a slot?


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    1. No, the schools would not have to accept every student who applies. For one thing, they would have to meet the standards set by the school. For another, if the school were to be full (your example), then the students who apply subsequently would be on a waiting list.

    2. No, no attendance boundaries means exactly that. There should be no need to buy a half million dollar house in the right part of town in order to get your kids into a decent school.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    The ones who suck at their jobs make pretty much the same as the ones who are great at their jobs, so no. I don't think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Sounds right, but competitive with what? A good teacher is not just knowledgeable in his or her field (our shallow curricula do not require all that much knowledge, really) - he or she is charismatic, "good with people", flexible, and absolutely relentless.

    Sounds like a profile of successful entrepreneur, doesn't it?

    Well, there's absolutely no way teachers' pay can compete with the potential rewards of a future Elon Musk or Sergey Brin.

    Quite simply, people who love to teach should be teaching - and they would do it for a modest compensation, as they always did throughout history.

    Now, is there enough of them? Maybe there's, we are just looking for them in wrong places: we keep thinking about young people becoming and staying professional "pedagogues". Maybe, instead, we should try hard to induce the retired or retiring folks to consider a second career in teaching. They would come with real-life experiences, superior knowledge in their former areas of expertise - and with lesser dependence on the paycheck, as a rule.
    Good point. Some of the best teachers I've met have been those who raised a family, then decided to go into teaching. Somehow, the experience of raising your own seems to help. Kids just out of college tend to be just that: kids, and they lack life experience.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    If the brighter mind is also comes with the techniques and personality necessary to connect with the classes they are going to teach. I've had teachers with very bright minds that were very poor teachers.
    With one exception, the smartest teachers I had were the worst.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Than in my opinion, he should take it and not pursue a job that pays less; this is what I've been discussing all along--people are not going to work for less pay when they can get a job that pays more. Now if for some reason the employer finds that person not acceptable, that employer will not keep paying a good rate of pay when the employer can try someone else. Meanwhile, the 100K brings quality applicants in to the process.
    That's not true at all. I know plenty of people who keep the jobs they have rather than going out to look for something that pays better. In fact, that describes most people I know.

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