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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So public school indicates a school run by the government?


    I don't know if you are being serious, so I'll assume that you are.

    Yes.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I sure would like to know how they're supposed to get quality applicants like that. The old idiom is still true: "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."


    And fresh crap works better than either.

    Are you seriously saying that the a person who wants to be a teacher and is a good teacher will be created if the pay is increased?

    It seems to me that if the classroom was made into a better place to teach, the miscreants were removed and the violence and threat of injury were removed, that would attract more of the talented into the profession.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Standardized multiple guess type of tests are a poor measure of student achievement. It would be much better to let parents choose the school and decide which teachers are best, just as they choose where to shop. Let the marketplace decide who is doing a good job and who is not.
    What are the measurables that you would select to measure the effectiveness of the teachers' efforts and how would you measure them?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I voted no for reasons that are more related to my circumstances. I have 3 years in teaching experience in higher education. In the recent student attitudes towards instructors measurements that were taken I was voted at the top ranks for teaching quality.

    I have been looking for an online teaching job in USA for at least 2 years now. I was never invited even for an interview till now. I think it is because of the recession problems that you are going through.

    But you are also complaining of qualities in education which seems inviting for my skills in teaching. So I tweaked my CV to what I think is now a very outstanding offer! I am willing to share it with you now:

    I offer on my CV that I could work with the same high quality at teaching like I do here and work for the half the price compared to the rest of my colleagues there. If it is about recession as a problem then I offer to re-invest back half of my annual salary to the university that hires me!

    By doing so I offer my teaching qualities, help with education in USA, help with recession, as well as help the university directly by getting logistics that it may need from half of my annual income. As an example since 100k is mentioned here, I could re-invest back at the university the 50K annually in buying educational materials or other logistics that the university may need in these times of economic recession. I could keep on doing this until the USA is out of recession hopefully one day!

    Trying to tackle several problems with one stone here. Trying to help at the times of need. Trying to do you guys a favor like you did to us in 1999.

    The results:

    Ever since I have distributed this latest offer in my CV I still am not considered even for an interview! I do not know any longer what is going on! Specifically why is not any university in USA not taking advantage of my offer? What is going on? I have spread the offer to major universities that offer education online!

    Back to the issue of this thread I answered no because see I am willing to work for half less. So teaching quality for me is not neither positively or negatively related with salary. But this statement stands up to a degree of course.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I don't know if you are being serious, so I'll assume that you are.

    Yes.
    Now, I am no expert at teachers' pay. What I have seen is partially anecdotal and in part research.

    -Various, actually almost all my Friends have taken their children out of public schools and put them into private schools, where there are more teachers per child and the pay is merit driven. The kids are doing better and often very much better. They are happier and the grades have gone way up.

    -Both components are pay in as much as the more children at the same pay the less you are paying per child. The research seems inconclusive for direct pay, though there is some indication that it works within a certain time frame and where the scheme is well put together. The second component proves very effective. Reducing the number of children per teacher almost always had positive effects in the studies I saw.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.
    I don't know if there is a direct correlation, but I'm quite sure there is a substantial amount of causation. In any capitalist society, performance is to some great extent predicated upon compensation, just as compensation is predicated upon performance. When Teachers are poorly compensated, especially as compared with other professions, I'd say that their performance is definitely hindered by their pay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    Remove the whole burden of massive administration costs from education.

    A school is a school, when I was deployed over to SE Asia we spent a lot of time helping out local schools. It was cool to see the kids there learning the same things that my kids were learning back in the U.S., but I noticed one stark difference.

    There wasn't any huge and unnecessary front office in any of the schools.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Teaching is already a saturated profession with pay as it is. You would not improve the quality by increasing the salary.

    If anything, salaries need to be decreased as to weed people out.

    I work in Human Resources for a school system. If you are limiting your remarks to "Elementary Classroom" teacher, ya you are pretty much correct. However there are multiple areas where the profession is not saturated and it can be pretty tough to find qualified candidates including Math, Hard Science (Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc.), and certain types of Special Education teachers.



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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    If a teacher should make $100k, then I should make $200k.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Me too. I seen several studies around my area that compared private and christian schools against public ones. The cost per student was about half when it came to private and christian schools. But they don't have the overhead that public schools do, the christian schools are in churches that has been expanded to take care of them. The ACT/SAT score etc. are several rungs above public schooled kids, but the students come from better homes and are more motivated to do good in school and study.

    For private and christian schools, they can get rid of bad teachers in a heart beat, where as in public schools it seems to take an act of god. So comparing the cost between these two types of schools may be comparing apples to oranges. What worries me is the dumbing down of the curriculum in schools today. A lot of the stuff I learned in Jr. High and High School is no longer taught, a student has to go to college to learn what I learned in High School. That bothers me. I first seen that with my youngest daughter and then in some of the grandkids.

    So I do think in private and christian schools they are trying to bring up all students to match the highest students achievements where as in public schools, it seems they are holding back students in matching the lowest. Just an observation with nothing to back it up.

    I acknowledge and respect your opinion and you point to one of the basic reasons that the average cost per student is lower for Private/Parochial schools. That is overhead.

    A couple of things (and I'm not saying these are good or bad, just pointing out why):

    #1 - It's easier to lower you costs when you can just not accept students and/or kick them out when they cause problems and perform poorly academically. Don't take them or kick them out and let the public school system deal with the problems.

    #2 - A major portion of our budget is transportation (buses, maintenance on the buses, bus drivers, mechanics, and all the support necessary to manage the pickup and delivery of each and every child from the correct location and deliverer them to the correct school). Most pubic schools don't take any responsibility for transportation and it's up to the parents to deliver and pick up their child(ren).

    #3 - Similar to #1, it's easier to show hirer SAT/ACT scores when you can just not accept students and/or kick them out when they cause problems and perform poorly academically. Don't take them or kick them out and let the public school system deal with the problems. Skim the cream of the crop and you have better average test scores.

    #4 - Private and parochial schools are not required to take special education students and therefore don't have that whole cost infrastructure.

    #5 - When you compare one type of organization (private/parochial) that can hand pick their students vs. public schools that are required by law (usually the State Constitution) to accept and be responsible for the education of ALL students (including those rejected by private/parochial) then you have an apples to oranges comparison.



    Take away some of the costs required for Public Schools that private schools don't have (transportation, Spec-Ed, and often extensive sports programs), then determine then compare (a) the cost factor of only top students (to match private school screening), and (b) SAT/ACT scores (to match private schools being able to get rid of poor academic performers which pads their scores) and you have a closer apples to apples comparison.



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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I dont think raising money will make a difference in the quality of education. I do think they need to be payed more but i dont think that will make our education quality increase.


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