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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It would make the field more competitive by attracting more people, a portion of which would have to be weeded out, rasing the overall quality. (if the right people are weeded out) Isn't that an example of the wisdom of the marketplace that conservatives are always on about?


    The marketplace has nothing to do with this particular consideration.

    Right now there are more teachers than there are positions. If we honor only marketplace considerations, the pay plummets.

    What I would like to see is result that rise to match the level of the cost.

    Right now the cost is the highest in the world and the outcomes are barely middle of the pack and that is a generous estimate.

    If the outcomes are not changeable as you seem to be implying, then reduce the pay for our teachers to the middle of the pack levels and accept mediocrity as the new normal. I think we need to change the outcomes and the current group of teachers are not doing the things needed to accomplish this. Maybe the answer is to reduce the pay of each teacher and hire more teachers. We know from the reaction of the educational union membership that this is not an option.

    Regarding the glut of teachers for the available jobs:

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    Public elementary schools in Cherry Hill, N.J., average 400 to 600 applicants for one full-time position; the numbers are up to 400 for work as a long-term substitute, said George Guy, the principal for A. Russell Knight Elementary School.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    If quality applicants are attracted at a much lower rate of pay, it is the responsibility of the educational system to attract them.
    I sure would like to know how they're supposed to get quality applicants like that. The old idiom is still true: "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Why not start them at a very low wage rate and pay them on commission? if the students do well on the tests, they get a raise. If not, they get a cut.

    If they only do average, they get to stay where they are.
    Standardized multiple guess type of tests are a poor measure of student achievement. It would be much better to let parents choose the school and decide which teachers are best, just as they choose where to shop. Let the marketplace decide who is doing a good job and who is not.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I don't think it's directly related, in fact, I think that the students are much more responsible for the quality of education than the teachers are. The best teachers in the world could not make the worst schools significantly better. The best paid teachers in the world wouldn't perform demonstrably better than lower paid teachers. It's the students and the parents that are most responsible, just throwing more money at teachers, much of which would just go to teacher unions, is a waste of money.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Home schoolers know that nothing is more important than a motivated student. It is the student's job to learn and most information is in books. My best teachers were poor and motivated by caring not salaries. You really can't pay a good teacher enough money, but only about 1 in 10 or less is a good teacher.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Standardized multiple guess type of tests are a poor measure of student achievement. It would be much better to let parents choose the school and decide which teachers are best, just as they choose where to shop. Let the marketplace decide who is doing a good job and who is not.


    That sounds good in theory, but in practice, the proximity of the home to the school is a big determiner of the school that the student attends.

    I like the idea of the voucher system allowing parents to opt out of the local school for a better or more agreeable or less violent school as the situation dictates.

    The current system is the result that all large government run institutions seems to always produce: Increased expense, poorer outcomes and reduced options.

    Can anybody connect the dots to Obamacare?

    I've said before that it's easy to see when a free market capitalist deal is completed. Everybody gets what they were after and everybody says "Thank you".

    It's also easy to see when a big government transaction has been completed. One party feels screwed and the other party doesn't care.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    That sounds good in theory, but in practice, the proximity of the home to the school is a big determiner of the school that the student attends.

    I like the idea of the voucher system allowing parents to opt out of the local school for a better or more agreeable or less violent school as the situation dictates.

    The current system is the result that all large government run institutions seems to always produce: Increased expense, poorer outcomes and reduced options.

    Can anybody connect the dots to Obamacare?

    I've said before that it's easy to see when a free market capitalist deal is completed. Everybody gets what they were after and everybody says "Thank you".

    It's also easy to see when a big government transaction has been completed. One party feels screwed and the other party doesn't care.
    A voucher system may or may not be the same as parental choice. Some of the systems proposed only pay a portion of the cost, leaving the rest up to the parents. Some only kick in if the school is deemed to be "failing." No, it would be better to simply pay all accredited schools the same per student, and let the local educators run them, let the parents choose which school they like t he best. This would blur the distinction between public and private schools, as any school could be accredited. They would have to teach the basics, hire qualified, credentialed teachers, and that would be about it.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    I actually don't think so. More and more as time has gone on I've had that conclusion cemented. I think we misconstrue important job with labor skills that are rare or exceedingly difficult to acquire. Are teachers extremely important? Yes without a doubt. But are we lacking in teachers? Not really. Our country still produces an enormous amount of teachers and we rarely seem to have a available teachers to employ, rather the problem is usually affording to keep everyone on the roster. On the mean I'd hazard that we probably have mostly competent teachers, and I doubt significantly boosting their salary would draw people who weren't already considering a career in education. Problems in our education system I believe are primarily rooted in culture and economic attainment. It's the cliche answer I know but I think it is true.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Sorry. I don't live in the UK. I'm from the colonies, the Americas. "All this" used in that context is a common colloquialism in my area of the world.
    So public school indicates a school run by the government?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A voucher system may or may not be the same as parental choice. Some of the systems proposed only pay a portion of the cost, leaving the rest up to the parents. Some only kick in if the school is deemed to be "failing." No, it would be better to simply pay all accredited schools the same per student, and let the local educators run them, let the parents choose which school they like t he best. This would blur the distinction between public and private schools, as any school could be accredited. They would have to teach the basics, hire qualified, credentialed teachers, and that would be about it.


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