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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Because it's true?

    There is absolutely no logic-based argument as to why teachers should make 100k or even close to that amount. None whatsoever.

    It all comes down to liberal "oh won't someone PLEASE think of the children" retardation.
    I do not see what you're getting at.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I think it could go both ways, like there are really good teachers who are underpaid, but then you have really crappy teachers who are overpaid.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I do not see what you're getting at.
    Yeah, it's my fault. That's why I didn't want to get into this thread. It's like a religion or abortion thread. One side will always make a claim or conclusion based on absolutely nothing remotely related to fact.

    I wanted to avoid the circle-jerk of people acting like teachers are gods amongst us.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Higher salaries generally attract better teachers, that is largely why the best schools are the most expensive schools. However, better credentials alone do not necessarilly mean that a teacher is better. Training can bring out the best in a teacher, but some people are naturally good at it and some are bad at it despite plenty of training. It would be best if the people who shouldn't be teachers could be weeded out during the education and credential process.

    Improving education will require eliminating more of the bad teachers, a process that may need to incude some subjectivity but must be handled fairly. Many teachers should be fired because they are burned out, cynical, prejudiced, disengaged and/or just don't like children or teens. Good teachers work hard, and are often exploited, which is why they deserve a right to organize. (every worker does) We need to develop a system where all working teachers will benefit from a raising of the quality standards. These standards need to be based on more than test scores, which do not portray a full picture of the quality of education received by students. If a student gets good test scores and gets to go to college, their eduction should still be considered a failure if they don't really understand what they are taught, don't know how to apply their knowledge to the real world and don't know how to learn on their own.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I just go by the fact that some occupations have higher salaries to attract the better minds and people. However, people who are teachers because of money tend to not be the best teachers.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Zariak: here is what I think of this topic. I would use a system like this or similar:

    I believe that it's OK to start teachers at 100K; however, when the student has his/her evaluation--conducted through the standardized testing--the teachers' evaluation should be judged using the same criteria that the students are judged--in other words, just how many students pass that test. If you have a good number pass the test the teachers receives a passing or good evaluation, but if there are a large number of students fail the tests than the teachers should receive a point for percentage of students that failed, compared to passing, to be later reviewed by the administration. When the tests are given again and the students pass, the point is taken away.

    If students keep failing the teachers should be disciplined and perhaps terminated if it continues.
    The main problem with that idea is that, depending on the nature of the school district and local community, some teachers have much more challenging students than others. Currently the less experienced teachers are usually the ones who get stuck with the most difficult students. Also test scores do not fully and accurately measure the quality of the student's learning. The recent emphasis on testing is creating an education system where getting good trest scores is becoming more important than learning.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    Me too. I seen several studies around my area that compared private and christian schools against public ones. The cost per student was about half when it came to private and christian schools. But they don't have the overhead that public schools do, the christian schools are in churches that has been expanded to take care of them. The ACT/SAT score etc. are several rungs above public schooled kids, but the students come from better homes and are more motivated to do good in school and study.

    For private and christian schools, they can get rid of bad teachers in a heart beat, where as in public schools it seems to take an act of god. So comparing the cost between these two types of schools may be comparing apples to oranges. What worries me is the dumbing down of the curriculum in schools today. A lot of the stuff I learned in Jr. High and High School is no longer taught, a student has to go to college to learn what I learned in High School. That bothers me. I first seen that with my youngest daughter and then in some of the grandkids.

    So I do think in private and christian schools they are trying to bring up all students to match the highest students achievements where as in public schools, it seems they are holding back students in matching the lowest. Just an observation with nothing to back it up.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    That is not correct. All this does in increase the pay of the people who enter the profession.
    It would make the field more competitive by attracting more people, a portion of which would have to be weeded out, rasing the overall quality. (if the right people are weeded out) Isn't that an example of the wisdom of the marketplace that conservatives are always on about?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The main problem with that idea is that, depending on the nature of the school district and local community, some teachers have much more challenging students than others. Currently the less experienced teachers are usually the ones who get stuck with the most difficult students. Also test scores do not fully and accurately measure the quality of the student's learning. The recent emphasis on testing is creating an education system where getting good trest scores is becoming more important than learning.
    I never said that there wouldn't be any problems. Nonetheless one can correct as they go.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Than in my opinion, he should take it and not pursue a job that pays less; this is what I've been discussing all along--people are not going to work for less pay when they can get a job that pays more. Now if for some reason the employer finds that person not acceptable, that employer will not keep paying a good rate of pay when the employer can try someone else. Meanwhile, the 100K brings quality applicants in to the process.


    If quality applicants are attracted at a much lower rate of pay, it is the responsibility of the educational system to attract them.

    Throwing away our tax dollars just because they feel it might maybe do some good that they cannot quantify or define is not a good idea.

    Right now, we know we are paying the absolute, by a wide margin, most in the world of for the teachers that we hire and that these teachers are producing middle of the pack results.

    What's wrong with this picture?
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