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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What I would do is examine the best outcomes on the planet and examine the methods that produce those outcomes.

    I would then design those methods into the standard operating procedures of the teachers.

    Following the first go-round, an academic year, I'd examine the outcomes again and try to find correlations to methods and improvements.

    Incorporating the most successful best practices into a new methodology, I would re-structure the methods again for the next academic year and continuously strive to improve the outcomes.

    I would constantly re-check the outcomes to gauge improvements vs. the previous results from the same group and vs. the intra national and international comparisons.
    And since not all students learn the same way, e.g. some have poor memories but extremely good spatial skills, you need to have your correlations matched to student type. Oh gosh, this makes the measuring difficult. (BTW, I'm one with poor rote memory brain but excellent spatial and a few other skills that has resulted in ten patents.
    Let me add: Is success for a student being able to think and solve unique new problems or to regurgitate exactly what they were told.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    I worked in public education for 25 years. One of the major problems is tenure. Once a teacher has tenure ( after 3 yrs) They have to be in serious trouble to be fired, thus you can be a lousy teacher as long as you abide by the rules. This is a big part of the failure in education in the U.S. I sometimes wondered why some people became teachers as it was clear that they didn't particularly like kids! But if you are safe in your job, why not? That being said there are many more dedicated teachers who enjoy teaching and love kids. I don't think salary plays a big part as you can keep moving up the education ladder. Where I worked many high school teachers made very good wages. Accountability and getting rid of tenure are steps in the right direction for education is the U.S. IMO.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    When the Wisconsin Government workers were up in arms about the draconian cuts imposed by the governor, it was almost humorous how the math worked out. The average educator in that state in the public schools, not administrators by educator, was earning more than 50K/year.

    The people that these folks educated, including themselves, averaged out to an average wage of about 35K/year.

    The teachers were educating people to a level that allowed them to earn 35K and were demanding a pay rate 40% higher supported by the workers who were making 40% less.

    What's wrong with this picture?

    Regarding your mechanic analogy, if the mechanic was good, regardless of his seniority, he would be making the top rate. If he was ineffective or worse, produced damage, he would not be well paid.

    What is wrong with paying based on outcomes?
    The thing I'm getting at is you won't get that mechanic to take a job at $8.00 an hour when he can take one for $25.00 an hour. In this way you get quality applicants when you look at their qualifications etc.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    The thing I'm getting at is you won't get that mechanic to take a job at $8.00 an hour when he can take one for $25.00 an hour. In this way you get quality applicants when you look at their qualifications etc.


    What if the mechanic has the choice of taking a job at $25.00/hour on the one hand and taking a job that will pay 100/hour due to his extraordinary abilities and produced results on the other?

    In either case, if the guy is looking for a job, he will take the job that he can get and then he should look for a better job if he feels he that he should.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I stopped reading at "teachers should make 100k".

    I'd rather discuss economics than touchy-feely crap and emotional subjectivity.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What if the mechanic has the choice of taking a job at $25.00/hour on the one hand and taking a job that will pay 100/hour due to his extraordinary abilities and produced results on the other?
    Than in my opinion, he should take it and not pursue a job that pays less; this is what I've been discussing all along--people are not going to work for less pay when they can get a job that pays more. Now if for some reason the employer finds that person not acceptable, that employer will not keep paying a good rate of pay when the employer can try someone else. Meanwhile, the 100K brings quality applicants in to the process.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Than in my opinion, he should take it and not pursue a job that pays less; this is what I've been discussing all along--people are not going to work for less pay when they can get a job that pays more. Now if for some reason the employer finds that person not acceptable, that employer will not keep paying a good rate of pay when the employer can try someone else. Meanwhile, the 100K brings quality applicants in to the process.
    Teaching is already a saturated profession with pay as it is. You would not improve the quality by increasing the salary.

    If anything, salaries need to be decreased as to weed people out.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I stopped reading at "teachers should make 100k".

    I'd rather discuss economics than touchy-feely crap and emotional subjectivity.
    For some reason that made me laugh, Gipper. I don't know why.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Teaching is already a saturated profession with pay as it is. You would not improve the quality by increasing the salary.

    If anything, salaries need to be decreased as to weed people out.
    I'm sorry, I disagree.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    For some reason that made me laugh, Gipper. I don't know why.
    Because it's true?

    There is absolutely no logic-based argument as to why teachers should make 100k or even close to that amount. None whatsoever.

    It all comes down to liberal "oh won't someone PLEASE think of the children" retardation.

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