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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    "All this"?

    I don't understand your point.

    I went to public schools.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    When the Wisconsin Government workers were up in arms about the draconian cuts imposed by the governor, it was almost humorous how the math worked out. The average educator in that state in the public schools, not administrators by educator, was earning more than 50K/year.

    The people that these folks educated, including themselves, averaged out to an average wage of about 35K/year.

    The teachers were educating people to a level that allowed them to earn 35K and were demanding a pay rate 40% higher supported by the workers who were making 49% less.

    What's wrong with this picture?

    Regarding your mechanic analogy, if the mechanic was good, regardless of his seniority, he would be making the top rate. If he was ineffective or worse, produced damage, he would not be well paid.

    What is wrong with paying based on outcomes?
    Because you can't pay teachers based on what employment their students pursue or what the market decides that education is worth in the field chosen. You would be holding teachers responsible for factors entirely beyond their control.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yes, but i'd say school funding and class design is more important. the best teacher in the world is going to have a challenge with huge class sizes and mandated instruction techniques no matter how much you pay him or her.

    if i started a school tomorrow, here's what i'd do : classes meet every other day for twice as long, with lecture followed by assignments. the teacher would tutor during the assignment section, and lectures would also be put on youtube for later review. max class size of 25.


    What I would do is examine the best outcomes on the planet and examine the methods that produce those outcomes.

    I would then design those methods into the standard operating procedures of the teachers.

    Following the first go-round, an academic year, I'd examine the outcomes again and try to find correlations to methods and improvements.

    Incorporating the most successful best practices into a new methodology, I would re-structure the methods again for the next academic year and continuously strive to improve the outcomes.

    I would constantly re-check the outcomes to gauge improvements vs. the previous results from the same group and vs. the intra national and international comparisons.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    You left off other choices.

    While pay could be a factor, underpaid teachers will probably on average may not perform as well. But pay just is not the only factors. There are many, many things that can affect a teachers performance.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I don't understand your point.

    I went to public schools.
    Public schools such as in UK English?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    I don't necessarily believe that raises handed out to current teachers would result in enhanced performance, but wage hikes in the field in general would likely do much to lure brighter minds away from more lucrative fields.
    If the brighter mind is also comes with the techniques and personality necessary to connect with the classes they are going to teach. I've had teachers with very bright minds that were very poor teachers.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Because you can't pay teachers based on what employment their students pursue or what the market decides that education is worth in the field chosen. You would be holding teachers responsible for factors entirely beyond their control.


    The systems and the procedures are designed by the educators and the educators administrators who are, in almost all cases, former educators.

    If the systems and the procedures do not support the outcomes, who is to blame for the ineffectiveness?

    All of the components of our educational system is an incestuous system of pal review and going along to get along. The pay rates continue to increase and the outcomes continue to degrade.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    At least for K - 12 it has long been known that teachers are not going to break the bank doing their job. I don't understand, knowing this going in, why they then complain that they are not making a lot of money doing their Jobs.

    I don't see a connection between money and performance, because the good teachers will do a good job even if paid a small amount, because they are there for the kids. A bad teacher won't be good no matter how much you pay them.

    Anybody that has atended public school, knows this to be true.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Public schools such as in UK English?


    Sorry. I don't live in the UK. I'm from the colonies, the Americas. "All this" used in that context is a common colloquialism in my area of the world.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The systems and the procedures are designed by the educators and the educators administrators who are, in almost all cases, former educators.

    If the systems and the procedures do not support the outcomes, who is to blame for the ineffectiveness?

    All of the components of our educational system is an incestuous system of pal review and going along to get along. The pay rates continue to increase and the outcomes continue to degrade.
    I'm fine with educators and administrators being held responsible for outcomes -- so long as those outcomes or evaluation criteria are limited to factors within their control.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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