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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    i'd disagree. No young people aspire to be a teacher. they do it because its a sure job and a source of income. They have no true passion for teaching.
    Excuse me? I wanted to be a teacher because I LOVE teaching kids to read and write. If I could make the same amount doing some desk job, I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't even take it if they paid me a little more. There are many teachers who have a true passion for teaching --- they're just being weeded out by this massive government **** called Common Core that they're making us do. I know for sure I won't teach in a public school the rest of my career if this is the path we're taking from now on. The federal government is bound and determined to make teachers who love their jobs hate them.


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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't doubt you feel very strongly about the services you offer children, and I commend you for that, but I'd make a couple of points:

    1. I'm not sure about qualifications in the US, but here in Canada a doctor spends far more time and far more money to get the educational requirements necessary to be licensed to practice medicine - similarly, lawyers spend more time and money on their training.

    2. Doctors and lawyers have significant overhead costs, regardless of whether they are operating on their own or if they're in a hospital/practice. Teachers are not paying for their classroom and supplies used in plying their trade.

    3. Doctors and lawyers also have costs related to advertising and government mandated regulatory reporting whereas teachers complete documentation as part of the job but they don't fund it.

    4. Doctors and lawyers can be sued and frequently are if their clients feel they've received inferior or unprofessional care. As a result, they must pay significantly for liability insurance, in the case of doctors often in the six figures area. Teachers, not only can't personally be sued for inferior or unprofessional care, they have a union that protects them and pays their legal fees.

    5. Doctors and lawyers work year round, 10 - 15 hour days, on weekends, and are frequently on call. Teachers hours of work aren't nearly as onerous and teachers get significant time off during the year to recover and reenvigorate.

    I'm retired after 30 years in education administration so I have some knowledge and sympathy for the position you advocate, but I don't think the comparisons are valid. I contend that the very best teachers I've come in contact with are ones that absolutely love teaching and have dedicated their lives to it and they are to be honored and respected. But lots of "professions" are honorable, respectable, and provide society as a whole with "priceless" benefits. I've had contact with an absolute saint who provided homecare for my mom in the last 10 years of her life and she was paid a pittance. This saint actually did save my mom's life on a couple of occasions.

    I don't know what teachers are paid in your jurisdiction - I can tell you here in Toronto, elementary and secondary school teachers have a range that goes from about $35,000 for a first year teacher up to just under $100,000 for a fully qualified and experienced teacher. At least here in Toronto, the vast majority of teachers are in the upper pay brackets, with 20 plus years experience. While they constantly, continuously, carp about not being appreciated and deserving more in pay and benefits, there are precious few who give up teaching for another career. At least here in Toronto, with over 3 months of they year not teaching, teaching is a damn good career and very well compensated - it's why lots are trying to get in and few leave.
    One of my arguments as to why we should NOT be paid the same is because of two things you lay out. The cost of education for those other fields is much more expensive and that we do get so much time off. That is why I don't complain and am one of the few teachers that don't support unions goals of pay increases every single time it comes up. I would like to be paid more only so that I am not just getting by. I brought up the points regarding the varying nature of our job because so many seem to think that we just give directions and make kids copy stuff. You obviously know that this is not even close and knowing your experience now there is no need to go that route again.

    I have taught in the USA and now in New Zealand. The pay is about the same. It is good and I love the job and lifestyle.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It depends what a person is teaching. What it the value in the private sector for a Bachelor's degree in history, geography, art, music, history....

    Do you REALLY think they make notably more than teachers in terms of salary, benefits and job security?
    So, we should stop teaching history, geography, art, music and history, as it has no value in the private sector?

    Do I really think who makes notably more than teachers?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh, I assumed that your ex was in the states, not down in the Z-land.
    Oh. Nope. She is here. Lives down the road, as does everybody since there are only 1,000 or so people that live here. She has nothing to do with her family so she wanted a big move. I am very close to my family but since she said it would be about us "Starting over" so that we could stay married, I agreed. Within months of moving here it was clear that she would not change and we were done. So I moved around the world away from family, have to deal with this BPD bitch and her HCP fiancee for the next 8 years until the girls are 16.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    i'd disagree. No young people aspire to be a teacher. they do it because its a sure job and a source of income. They have no true passion for teaching.
    then you don't know a lot of teachers, and obviously aren't one yourself.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Seriously, when we have "Lawyer Appreciation" week or a little kid walks up to an accountant and says, "thank you sir, you helped me out so much" or the Price Is Right has a bunch of shows saluting architects, we'll start talking about who has it better.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If I thought that was true, then I'd argue for higher wages.

    As long as a teacher makes more than 30K, I don't see a need for an adjustment.
    Yeah, there's a few states below $30 k average starting pay.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Here are my thoughts on this subject --

    I've known veteran teachers making $70,000+ and doing jack squat. I've also known teachers making that much who work their asses off. The flip side is true too. I've known teachers making $30,000 and they're HORRIBLE teachers....then again, some are EXCELLENT teachers. Quality of teachers has little to do with pay and more to do with their work ethic. Some teachers have become so complacent and lazy in their near-retirement years. Some never have lost the joy of teaching. If we paid every teacher $100,000, the same lazy-ass teachers would still be lazy asses. The same hard-working, heart completely into it teachers wouldn't change either.

    And one more thing --- the #1 problem with education BY FAR is the parents and home lives of these children.

    Maybe I should have been more specific, but I think you missed the part "with the due education, of course."

    How many doctors do you know with crap work ethic?
    That's because they have 8 plus years of schooling plus 5 years of residency/fellowship/research.
    They're job is incredibly important, and so are teacher's jobs.
    I want to make teaching a job that kids grow up and dream about being.
    So many smart people with high work ethic are turned off by the low pay and low respect teachers receive.
    They deserve better.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, there's a few states below $30 k average starting pay.
    I'm good with that, if they're relatively "poor" states.

    Around here, if you made 30K a year, you could live quite comfortably. Of course, I believe the average starting teacher wage for Alabama is closer to 40.

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