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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I was making almost 60K and with a wife and two babies it wasn't enough. I had to work 4 nights a week in a fine dining extablishment on top of a full time teaching load.
    Well, the days of the single income household are gone, barring a truly great job. You'd have to be a doctor or lawyer to do well with one job and a wife that didn't work, along with kids.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, the days of the single income household are gone, barring a truly great job. You'd have to be a doctor or lawyer to do well with one job and a wife that didn't work, along with kids.
    Agreed. And that sucks... the Keeping Up With the Joneses has ruined it for people that want a single family income lifestyle.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Agreed. And that sucks... the Keeping Up With the Joneses has ruined it for people that want a single family income lifestyle.
    I'm just thankful I got rid of my ex-girlfriend that literally had to upgrade her phone every few months because "this one has *enter random stupid upgrade here*".

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.
    That's ridiculous. And I'm a teacher.


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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Here are my thoughts on this subject --

    I've known veteran teachers making $70,000+ and doing jack squat. I've also known teachers making that much who work their asses off. The flip side is true too. I've known teachers making $30,000 and they're HORRIBLE teachers....then again, some are EXCELLENT teachers. Quality of teachers has little to do with pay and more to do with their work ethic. Some teachers have become so complacent and lazy in their near-retirement years. Some never have lost the joy of teaching. If we paid every teacher $100,000, the same lazy-ass teachers would still be lazy asses. The same hard-working, heart completely into it teachers wouldn't change either.

    And one more thing --- the #1 problem with education BY FAR is the parents and home lives of these children.


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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'm just thankful I got rid of my ex-girlfriend that literally had to upgrade her phone every few months because "this one has *enter random stupid upgrade here*".
    I should have gotten rid of mine before I knocked her up! But I did get over ten years of torment and abuse! Well, and my two beautiful daughters.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I should have gotten rid of mine before I knocked her up! But I did get over ten years of torment and abuse! Well, and my two beautiful daughters.
    It's amazing that you did. Usually a man can't get custody of his kids in a divorce unless he can prove that his ex-wife helped plan 9/11 or shot Kennedy.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I would feel as if my education level would finally be respected and I wouldn't be just "getting by" anymore. High school teaching isn't just the whiteboard. I have literally helped to save teenagers lives. Talked them out of depression glooms, helped them see what life is really about, helped turn potential and actual gnag bangers around, etc. Psychologists make hundreds and hour doing less than I do. Lawyers makes 300+ an hour losing cases. Doctors make a ton taking your temp and handing you an anti-biotic like a robot.
    I don't doubt you feel very strongly about the services you offer children, and I commend you for that, but I'd make a couple of points:

    1. I'm not sure about qualifications in the US, but here in Canada a doctor spends far more time and far more money to get the educational requirements necessary to be licensed to practice medicine - similarly, lawyers spend more time and money on their training.

    2. Doctors and lawyers have significant overhead costs, regardless of whether they are operating on their own or if they're in a hospital/practice. Teachers are not paying for their classroom and supplies used in plying their trade.

    3. Doctors and lawyers also have costs related to advertising and government mandated regulatory reporting whereas teachers complete documentation as part of the job but they don't fund it.

    4. Doctors and lawyers can be sued and frequently are if their clients feel they've received inferior or unprofessional care. As a result, they must pay significantly for liability insurance, in the case of doctors often in the six figures area. Teachers, not only can't personally be sued for inferior or unprofessional care, they have a union that protects them and pays their legal fees.

    5. Doctors and lawyers work year round, 10 - 15 hour days, on weekends, and are frequently on call. Teachers hours of work aren't nearly as onerous and teachers get significant time off during the year to recover and reenvigorate.

    I'm retired after 30 years in education administration so I have some knowledge and sympathy for the position you advocate, but I don't think the comparisons are valid. I contend that the very best teachers I've come in contact with are ones that absolutely love teaching and have dedicated their lives to it and they are to be honored and respected. But lots of "professions" are honorable, respectable, and provide society as a whole with "priceless" benefits. I've had contact with an absolute saint who provided homecare for my mom in the last 10 years of her life and she was paid a pittance. This saint actually did save my mom's life on a couple of occasions.

    I don't know what teachers are paid in your jurisdiction - I can tell you here in Toronto, elementary and secondary school teachers have a range that goes from about $35,000 for a first year teacher up to just under $100,000 for a fully qualified and experienced teacher. At least here in Toronto, the vast majority of teachers are in the upper pay brackets, with 20 plus years experience. While they constantly, continuously, carp about not being appreciated and deserving more in pay and benefits, there are precious few who give up teaching for another career. At least here in Toronto, with over 3 months of they year not teaching, teaching is a damn good career and very well compensated - it's why lots are trying to get in and few leave.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Here are my thoughts on this subject --

    I've known veteran teachers making $70,000+ and doing jack squat. I've also known teachers making that much who work their asses off. The flip side is true too. I've known teachers making $30,000 and they're HORRIBLE teachers....then again, some are EXCELLENT teachers. Quality of teachers has little to do with pay and more to do with their work ethic. Some teachers have become so complacent and lazy in their near-retirement years. Some never have lost the joy of teaching. If we paid every teacher $100,000, the same lazy-ass teachers would still be lazy asses. The same hard-working, heart completely into it teachers wouldn't change either.

    And one more thing --- the #1 problem with education BY FAR is the parents and home lives of these children.
    Thanks for your comments. I've been hoping to hear from you since I value your views on teaching and enjoy your frequent posts on your classes and the children you teach.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's amazing that you did. Usually a man can't get custody of his kids in a divorce unless he can prove that his ex-wife helped plan 9/11 or shot Kennedy.
    I have 40% custody. I will get 50%-100% of at least one of my daughters in a couple of years as she doesn't want to live with her mother at all. She couldn't plan anything that is any more complicated than going going to the supermarket.
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