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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Despite what you may have heard, that's what we have here.
    i'd disagree. No young people aspire to be a teacher. they do it because its a sure job and a source of income. They have no true passion for teaching.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Let's put things into perspective here.
    A new college grad who decides to opt for a teaching career has at least a year more of school ahead before even applying. Should he/she make the investment, including a student teaching semester in which no other job is possible (no time), and add another ten or twenty grand to the student loan debt, then he/she may apply to a school, along with a hundred or so other applicants. Should he/she be hired, then it's time to discover just how a lot of kids have been raised. It's a matter of sink or swim in most schools, and many sink, quit teaching, go to something else. Some get jobs in small schools where their policy is to keep teachers two years, then let them go to hire cheaper new grads. Some get jobs in charter schools where they are at will employees, and where the school may or may not be in business next year.

    I started a teaching career in 1966, when there was a severe shortage of teachers and you could actually work on a credential while teaching and getting a paycheck. I stayed with it until 2001, when I was able to retire with a good pension (yes, there are financial perks to teaching, and retirement is one of them).

    No way would I invest the money to get a teaching credential today. Schools are run by the state now, the curriculum is test centered, and the kids could care less about the test. Nevertheless, the mindless bureaucrats in charge (MBIC) have issued the edict that every child will pass the test whether they want to or not, whether they have an IQ of 80 or 120, whether or not they just got to the US from a nation where English is not spoken and kids don't go to school, it doesn't matter, according to the MBIC, every child has to pass a difficult multiple guess test, or the teacher has failed.

    I can look back on a rewarding career, but would not want to be in the trenches fighting the MBIC and the economic realities of today, no thank you, not even in a community where the gangs are not yet in charge.

    It depends what a person is teaching. What it the value in the private sector for a Bachelor's degree in history, geography, art, music, history....

    Do you REALLY think they make notably more than teachers in terms of salary, benefits and job security?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    i'd disagree. No young people aspire to be a teacher. they do it because its a sure job and a source of income. They have no true passion for teaching.

    Some do. So teachers really like children and really like teaching.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    im not talking about standardization, im talking about actually making their job worth while. You can almost make more on welfare in some places than you get from working as a teacher.
    If I thought that was true, then I'd argue for higher wages.

    As long as a teacher makes more than 30K, I don't see a need for an adjustment.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    i'd disagree. No young people aspire to be a teacher. they do it because its a sure job and a source of income. They have no true passion for teaching.
    That would be wrong.... and most people do not aspire to the job they have. They get one because they need income. How many people havea true passion to stock shelves, file things, answer phones, repair the roads. Probably none.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If I thought that was true, then I'd argue for higher wages.

    As long as a teacher makes more than 30K, I don't see a need for an adjustment.
    Depends on where you live. 35K in CA would see you living on the streets.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Depends on where you live. 35K in CA would see you living on the streets.
    Fair enough. Maybe I should've described it as a percentage above minimal standard of living.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I didn't go through all 29 pages of this thread, but I'd be interest in comments from posters like Josie, who's a teacher. Does Josie feel she'd be a better teacher if she was paid more? If so, why?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Fair enough. Maybe I should've described it as a percentage above minimal standard of living.
    I was making almost 60K and with a wife and two babies it wasn't enough. I had to work 4 nights a week in a fine dining extablishment on top of a full time teaching load.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't go through all 29 pages of this thread, but I'd be interest in comments from posters like Josie, who's a teacher. Does Josie feel she'd be a better teacher if she was paid more? If so, why?
    I would feel as if my education level would finally be respected and I wouldn't be just "getting by" anymore. High school teaching isn't just the whiteboard. I have literally helped to save teenagers lives. Talked them out of depression glooms, helped them see what life is really about, helped turn potential and actual gnag bangers around, etc. Psychologists make hundreds and hour doing less than I do. Lawyers makes 300+ an hour losing cases. Doctors make a ton taking your temp and handing you an anti-biotic like a robot.
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