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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    It's not really intended to be a blanket statement for each and every profession, it's more of a statement saying if you can't cut it in your profession you wind up teaching.
    I've heard this statement a lot, and every time I shake my head.

    Those who know nothing of teaching, assign someone who can't cut it to educate. That's where people start building this 'training industrial complex' that we are looking at in the United States. That mentality is something that grew out of the "checks in the box" attitude.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Before I even consider posting in this thread, how many people here actually have experience in education, and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
    Exactly! All the arm chair QBs that don't understand the real issues chime in with their two cents and it is ridiculous. When NASA has problems with the Mars Rover I don't chime in telling them what to do, same with doctors running a hospital. It is ridiculous.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Raising hand, I had 33 years teaching high school Chemistry first, Physics 2nd and freshman science 3rd..
    As Illinois stays with common-core and moves toward tieing teacher pay to test scores, neighboring states like Indiana are opting out..
    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Before I even consider posting in this thread,
    how many people here actually have experience in education,
    and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
    The opt-out-of-everything states looks a lot like the RED states in a POTUS election with phony 10th amendment arguments..
    Since I still teach with long-term subbing, I learn a new place each year..
    New computer system, kids wearing hats in school and so on and trying to break them when they come in the room..
    The number of teachers getting fired, getting pregnant, and just overall bailing out is astounding .
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    We get a list from local teachers of items they need, buy them, and give them directly to the teachers. No cash donations. No tax deduction that way, but that's not the reason we give.
    I honestly think that's the best way to do things.

    We've never donated for the tax deduction either, but solely for the benefit of those we give to. One of our kids teachers asked for books for the class library, and we gave lots of books. They sent home a Cookie fundraiser and we didn't buy a single box of cookies.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Before I even consider posting in this thread, how many people here actually have experience in education, and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
    I agree completely agree.

    I don't have a lot of experience with primary education (K-12), but I've spent a lot of time as an instructor in the Military and in various other industrial capacities. I've always noticed that adults, for the most part, are basically just big children, so I figure what I've done is similar to school.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Without a doubt the worst teachers I had were at university and the best were in high school. Professors don't "teach", they lecture.
    Well then all i can surmise is we've had a vastly different experience with public (?) education.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Them that can do, them that can't teach". I myself know three people who went into teaching after age 40 because they failed at everything else.
    So that's an argument for higher pay. If you pay enough you attract enough good people that you don't become a last resort for failures.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Did i say i learned nothing at all back then? But it could have just as easily, and more efficiently, been learned from others. I'm generally more critical of middle/high school anyway. The glacial pace of instruction, considering we were there for several hours most days, is especially glaring now.
    I have to ask how old you are because if you are not at least 38 years old, you don't have perspective enough to answer this question.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Raising hand, I had 33 years teaching high school Chemistry first, Physics 2nd and freshman science 3rd..
    As Illinois stays with common-core and moves toward tieing teacher pay to test scores, neighboring states like Indiana are opting out..

    The opt-out-of-everything states looks a lot like the RED states in a POTUS election with phony 10th amendment arguments..
    Since I still teach with long-term subbing, I learn a new place each year..
    New computer system, kids wearing hats in school and so on and trying to break them when they come in the room..
    The number of teachers getting fired, getting pregnant, and just overall bailing out is astounding .
    Well we can have teachers getting fired or pregnant, can we?

    The average person make 3 major career (not just employment) changes in their lives. But it would seem that you think if a teacher decides to do something different with his/her life, there is something wrong with the system.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    So that's an argument for higher pay. If you pay enough you attract enough good people that you don't become a last resort for failures.
    It also is an argument against higher pay as higher pay solicits people who are in teaching only for the money and don't care about students or teaching at all - only the pay check.

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