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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    In terms of knowing what the hell they're talking about, yes. I have some respect for the ones in the early years for keeping us out of trouble, but the point of education is not day care, or at least it shouldn't be.
    Wow, that is a pretty strong statement.

    So you learned math and Reading when you got to college, right? You learned nothing with those crappy K-12 teachers?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You might want to do some research on that part about Private Schools paying more than Public Schools. In general I think you will find the wages less.

    My sister used to teach in a private Catholic School, she made about 50% of what Public School teachers made and had "0" benefits (no medical, dental, or retirement).


    (I'm talking "in general" here, there may be exception of some high end, pay out the yang private schools.)

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    It appears you may be right although he gap is closing. A better teaching environment with smaller class sizes seems to attract enough teachers even at slightly lower pay.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Living in Mexico, I have met quite a few people who work on both sides of the field in both private and public schools. As far as publics go, they are a mess. Teachers get paid to do basically nothing and couldn't care less if kids pass or not. As far as private schools go, teachers are worked like indentured servants without much hope of ever bettering themselves. So essentially, Mexico represents the worst of both worlds.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So every K-12 teacher you had was terrible and every college profesor you had was great?

    I find that hard to believe.
    Probably the difference between stupid educational teachers thru high school and then brilliant philosopher professors in college?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Wow, that is a pretty strong statement.

    So you learned math and Reading when you got to college, right? You learned nothing with those crappy K-12 teachers?
    Did i say i learned nothing at all back then? But it could have just as easily, and more efficiently, been learned from others. I'm generally more critical of middle/high school anyway. The glacial pace of instruction, considering we were there for several hours most days, is especially glaring now.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Considering the best teachers I've had are without exception making $100k+ as professors, and how lousy and poorly compensated my K-12 teachers were, I'd say there's definitely a correlation. But also understand, there aren't enough PhD's to go around teaching K-12, if they're even willing to do that. Raising pay but keeping the same teachers isn't going to solve much.
    Without a doubt the worst teachers I had were at university and the best were in high school. Professors don't "teach", they lecture.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Before I even consider posting in this thread, how many people here actually have experience in education, and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I stand corrected.

    Show teachers be paid the salary teachers are paid in N. Korea?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    [QUOTE=Krystov;1062480207]That is not to say that education and skill is not required to effectively teach students. I had some really good high school teachers that did a great job of making things stick.

    Thing is, with any educator (be it high school, college, or technical trade skills) you need more than knowledge about the subject at hand, you also need to know how to deal with people. I work in heavy industry and deal with a lot of complicated equipment/ machinery, but I'll be the first to point out that the human beings I deal with are infinitely more complicated than any piece of equipment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    But I would argue that a history teach only needs to know a pretty general, rarely changing set of things. . . It doesn't involve dynamic problem solving and in depth analyzation of complex material
    I figured that the conversation was talking about primary education (K-12).

    Sure history sounds pretty straight forward, but getting a bunch of children to care about history and actually retain the information is an entirely different set of skills. I love reading about history, but I don't have to teach it.

    Everything about education, if it's done correctly, is dynamic. People are dynamic, I think you're really thinking about school in a very one dimensional way.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I stand corrected.

    Show teachers be paid the salary teachers are paid in N. Korea?
    Not sure. We have a different culture and different issues. Their culture is centered around respect to self and honoring the family. Ours is completely different. They stay hours after school competing and training in both education and sport. Our kids don't for the most part.

    Make the pay the same as Canada or New Zealand, where I teach. Sure. We are rated 4th to the USA's 14th. The pay is basically the same already. I make pretty much what I made when I taught in CA.
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