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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It was the straight forward, no nonsense teachers who believed in me despite my adolescent foolishness.

    No one heard of PC back in the '50's anyway. That was the era when Eisenhower's campaign against illegal immigration was officially called "operation wetback."
    What I meant by that was a teacher that taught the material and that was it. One that was not involved with the students or even openly didn't like kids. There were a lot of those.

    I honestly can't remember most of my high school teachers names, other than the auto shop teacher, who made the biggest impression on me.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    What I meant by that was a teacher that taught the material and that was it. One that was not involved with the students or even openly didn't like kids. There were a lot of those.

    I honestly can't remember most of my high school teachers names, other than the auto shop teacher, who made the biggest impression on me.
    I still remember Mr. Crawford, who taught kids and geometry. I still remember a little bit of geometry, but not much, as I've found little use for it. I do remember some of the unrelated things he talked to us about.

    I also remember Mr. Aaserude, who taught physics and kids. His was one of the hardest classes I took back then. He once told me that I had talent, and that if I didn't use it, he'd come back to haunt me one day.

    and that is from more than 50 years ago. Not bad for a failing memory.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That is the real question, isn't it?

    Don't expect the Washington bureaucrats or the denizens of ivory tower central district offices to come up with an answer any time soon.

    Decentralize the schools. Let parents choose their school. the teacher who brings in customers will be a valuable asset to the school. Maybe that idea will be a start.
    I think that's a really horrible idea. How do you objectively test the school system as a whole when it's a mish-mash of different standards, different lessons and different ideas? I can imagine nothing so horrible as what you propose, where students moving from a school in one state to a school in another state may be a year ahead or a year behind because if local educational conditions, where parents are allowed to push the schools to teach whatever nonsense their religions or social customs dictate, no matter how ridiculous they are?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think that's a really horrible idea. How do you objectively test the school system as a whole when it's a mish-mash of different standards, different lessons and different ideas? I can imagine nothing so horrible as what you propose, where students moving from a school in one state to a school in another state may be a year ahead or a year behind because if local educational conditions, where parents are allowed to push the schools to teach whatever nonsense their religions or social customs dictate, no matter how ridiculous they are?

    Pass.
    On the other hand, centralized planning has such a great track record, and not just in education.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    As much as there is a difference between private school and public education. They pay more in Private schools and class sizes are smaller and that attracts the better teachers.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Considering the best teachers I've had are without exception making $100k+ as professors, and how lousy and poorly compensated my K-12 teachers were, I'd say there's definitely a correlation. But also understand, there aren't enough PhD's to go around teaching K-12, if they're even willing to do that. Raising pay but keeping the same teachers isn't going to solve much.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    On the other hand, centralized planning has such a great track record, and not just in education.
    Just like states like Texas and Kansas have such great track records in their educational standards.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    As much as there is a difference between private school and public education. They pay more in Private schools and class sizes are smaller and that attracts the better teachers.

    You might want to do some research on that part about Private Schools paying more than Public Schools. In general I think you will find the wages less.

    My sister used to teach in a private Catholic School, she made about 50% of what Public School teachers made and had "0" benefits (no medical, dental, or retirement).


    (I'm talking "in general" here, there may be exception of some high end, pay out the yang private schools.)

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    It's not really intended to be a blanket statement for each and every profession, it's more of a statement saying if you can't cut it in your profession you wind up teaching. Only a few of my teachers were in the field at the same time they were teaching and they presented relevant material, but those who've been out of the field and teaching for 20 years were teaching older concepts not necessarily still valuable, and not enough in itself to allow a graduate to excel at his or her profession. In my case, software engineering requires constant training, and I was only presented with fundamentals in school, not the "right" way of doing things nor the most efficient way.
    Most teachers teach K-12 and have regular PD in order to stay current with teaching practices... it is a stupid statement. There are "bad" people in every profession. Fact.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    As much as there is a difference between private school and public education. They pay more in Private schools and class sizes are smaller and that attracts the better teachers.
    I made far less at a top private school than I did in public... more than a few teachers did not have a teaching credential and only one had a Masters as opposed to public teachers where many have advanced degrees including Masters and Ph.D.s
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