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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I actually agree.

    Thats why we, as a policy, don't donate money to the school. We will, without question, give them books or other physical supplies, but never cash. I know full well that 90% of that cash will go to useless admin costs & goodies, with very little going to the actual education of kids.
    We get a list from local teachers of items they need, buy them, and give them directly to the teachers. No cash donations. No tax deduction that way, but that's not the reason we give.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zariak View Post
    I'm personally disappointed with how much our educators make. IMO, they should be starting at around 100K salaries, with the due education, of course.

    But, there's always the nagging thought in my head that tells me there might not even be any correlation between education quality and teacher pay.

    I think we can all agree that our education system needs fixing. What do you think?
    No. For the simple reason that currently we do not pay (by and large) our teachers for quality of the education they provide, but rather for the number of years they have been teaching. I am strongly in favor of merit pay for teachers based on demonstrated quality of education.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That can work in a lot of situations but the fact is that there are many kids that don't care about education... this would negatively impact some teachers that are forced to teach the lower level classes and special edcaution.
    But isn't it part of the job of the teacher to instill their students with a love of learning? Lots of employees don't care about the job but it's the responsibility of the manager to make them perform well. Same deal.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No, I'm not saying that 10% of children will get "touched". I'm saying that if the child succeeds, the teacher should get about 10% of the credit, whereas the child itself should get 90%.
    10% of the value of a child climbing out of poverty and dependence is quite a large contribution, is it not?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A lot of them, I don't think are. I'd be entirely fine if teachers all made the same amount of money and, either on a quarterly or once a semester term, they were eligible for raises or bonuses based on the demonstrable improvement in their classroom. I'd love to see students required to take a standardized exam at the end of every single year of school, those scores become the starting place for the next teacher and on some interval, they get a bonus (quarter or semester) or a raise (annual) for beating some objective standard. If they don't make it, they don't get the money. We just need to make sure that the teacher is actually teaching and the kids are actually learning, the teacher or the school isn't just gaming the system.
    Before tying teacher compensation to student achievement, we first have to come up with a better measure of achievement than the standardized multiple guess sort of measure we're using now. Those tests simply aren't accurate measures of progress.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Before tying teacher compensation to student achievement, we first have to come up with a better measure of achievement than the standardized multiple guess sort of measure we're using now. Those tests simply aren't accurate measures of progress.
    I agree, but we still have to come up with some objective measurement standard where good teachers get rewarded and bad teachers get weeded out. The job of a teacher is not just to show up every day, it's to instill their students with a love for learning and to objectively educate the kids in their classroom. That is the expectation. Now how do we get it?
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree, but we still have to come up with some objective measurement standard where good teachers get rewarded and bad teachers get weeded out. The job of a teacher is not just to show up every day, it's to instill their students with a love for learning and to objectively educate the kids in their classroom. That is the expectation. Now how do we get it?
    That is the real question, isn't it?

    Don't expect the Washington bureaucrats or the denizens of ivory tower central district offices to come up with an answer any time soon.

    Decentralize the schools. Let parents choose their school. the teacher who brings in customers will be a valuable asset to the school. Maybe that idea will be a start.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    The Washington solution to poor education is to throw money at it. That's been proven to be ineffective. Schools need the tools to teach children and that does cost money but too often money thrown at education is intercepted by teachers unions that institutionalize mediocrity.

    Teachers should be paid fairly but they should also be accountable for their work product.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    On the subject of teachers.

    When you look back at high school, what kind of teacher stands out as somebody you learned from?

    Was it a straight forward no-nonsense teacher, or the politically corect kind that phoned it in?

    Note: This question is not for Young people. You have to have at least 20 years out of school to answer this.

    For me it was the no-nonsense type that told it like it was and got through to me. Most of the others I don't remember the subject matter nor their names.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    On the subject of teachers.

    When you look back at high school, what kind of teacher stands out as somebody you learned from?

    Was it a straight forward no-nonsense teacher, or the politically corect kind that phoned it in?

    Note: This question is not for Young people. You have to have at least 20 years out of school to answer this.

    For me it was the no-nonsense type that told it like it was and got through to me. Most of the others I don't remember the subject matter nor their names.
    It was the straight forward, no nonsense teachers who believed in me despite my adolescent foolishness.

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