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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    mak: I know some folks like that, but the vast majority of people--I've seen at least--go for better pay and benefits--especially if they're raising kids.
    How many people do you know that would give up a steady job with mediocre pay to try to chase possibilities of better pay (especially people with kids)? If it's more than a handful, then you know some exceptional people.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    How many people do you know that would give up a steady job with mediocre pay to try to chase possibilities of better pay (especially people with kids)? If it's more than a handful, then you know some exceptional people.
    Than I know some exceptional people.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'll bet the US spends more on education than the rest of the world combined.
    Yea, but the overwhelming majority of this money never sees a teachers paycheck.

    Administrative costs have crippled our schools.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Yea, but the overwhelming majority of this money never sees a teachers paycheck.

    Administrative costs have crippled our schools.
    When education decides they want to really educate our children, and become world class.....I might consider more funding. But right now I wouldn't add a penny.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    I'm a software engineer (fresh out of school albeit) and I don't come close to that, yet my profession is arguably much harder and requires a far more in depth working knowledge of the subject matter.
    I think that's a pretty dangerous line of thought right there.

    I'll not argue that being a software engineer is a difficult job, but I don't think it's safe to say that your job is "arguably much harder or requires more depth" than a teacher.

    I've dealt with a lot of stuff and I'd say that human beings are by far the most difficult things to deal with, I think arguments like this really do a lot to undermine what actually goes on in an effective classroom.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    When education decides they want to really educate our children, and become world class.....I might consider more funding. But right now I wouldn't add a penny.
    I actually agree.

    Thats why we, as a policy, don't donate money to the school. We will, without question, give them books or other physical supplies, but never cash. I know full well that 90% of that cash will go to useless admin costs & goodies, with very little going to the actual education of kids.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The thing is, if a teacher wants a higher salary there is a wide range of schools just throughout the US, some public, some not. Mobility requires skill, experience and education. But there is a higher range available in that job market.
    The wage depression of teachers in public schools has also provided opportunity for private institutions to depress wages as well.

    If a private university wants to cut costs, why would they pay more when talented educators are willing to work for well below standard, just to escape extremely low paying jobs in the private sector. It's a vicious cycle, really.

    "After 25 years of teaching French at Duquesne, the university had not renewed her contract. As a part-time professor, she had been earning about $10,000 a year, and had no health insurance."

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Everybody "can" do something... stupid statement. Stupid boss? I don't know.
    It's not really intended to be a blanket statement for each and every profession, it's more of a statement saying if you can't cut it in your profession you wind up teaching. Only a few of my teachers were in the field at the same time they were teaching and they presented relevant material, but those who've been out of the field and teaching for 20 years were teaching older concepts not necessarily still valuable, and not enough in itself to allow a graduate to excel at his or her profession. In my case, software engineering requires constant training, and I was only presented with fundamentals in school, not the "right" way of doing things nor the most efficient way.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I think that's a pretty dangerous line of thought right there.

    I'll not argue that being a software engineer is a difficult job, but I don't think it's safe to say that your job is "arguably much harder or requires more depth" than a teacher.

    I've dealt with a lot of stuff and I'd say that human beings are by far the most difficult things to deal with, I think arguments like this really do a lot to undermine what actually goes on in an effective classroom.
    That is not to say that education and skill is not required to effectively teach students. I had some really good high school teachers that did a great job of making things stick. But I would argue that a history teach only needs to know a pretty general, rarely changing set of things about history to do his or her job. History is history, all you need to do is memorize the civil war to tell it over. It doesn't involve dynamic problem solving and in depth analyzation of complex material - unless you're talking about college education, which I don't think is the primary focus of this discussion. I was under the impression that K-12 was the focus.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
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    Education is such a complex picture. Great teachers can work their butt off in some schools and see minimal results because the education climate is just so very bad. Lack of parent involvement both in the schools and at home is probably the greatest predictor of success in the schools. No salary in the world is going to fix that.

    If you want real change and quality education, you have to be prepared to make radical changes. Make school attendance beyond a certain grade a privilege to be earned. Create tech high schools, kick people out that dont belong in school. Lots of changes.
    Sounds like what I say every time this topic comes up, and since you're doing a fine job discussing it, I'll just say thank you, and let you handle it.

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