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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There are two things that hinder teachers and public education the most...

    1) Restriction placed on what teachers are allowed to do, and

    2) Directing resources away from gifted and above-average students to spend on below-average and underachieving students. Nothing screams average like artificially hindering those who can excel.
    I agree, my stepmother retired after 27 years when discipline was removed from the classroom.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Them that can do, them that can't teach". I myself know three people who went into teaching after age 40 because they failed at everything else.
    I always thought that was a supremely stupid statement. There are bad lawyers, doctors, cops, teachers, etc. etc. The good teachers are those that can do, and do it well. That is teaching. Teaching is a skill that not many have. It is a balance of patience, psychology, knowledge, being able to explain things in ways that many can understand... etc. I know teachers that have come to teaching after dealing with the corruption and ineptitude of the private sector as well.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Zariak: here is what I think of this topic. I would use a system like this or similar:

    I believe that it's OK to start teachers at 100K; however, when the student has his/her evaluation--conducted through the standardized testing--the teachers' evaluation should be judged using the same criteria that the students are judged--in other words, just how many students pass that test. If you have a good number pass the test the teachers receives a passing or good evaluation, but if there are a large number of students fail the tests than the teachers should receive a point for percentage of students that failed, compared to passing, to be later reviewed by the administration. When the tests are given again and the students pass, the point is taken away.

    If students keep failing the teachers should be disciplined and perhaps terminated if it continues.
    Education is a tough one. It is difficult to "judge" teachers due to the nature of the product. A car is built and it is good or not. A doctor either cures you or does not. A lawyer either wins or loses. A teacher produces what? A kid comes in with baggage or not, has a hard home life or not, is abused or drinks or does drugs or not, is in a gan or not, has parents that don't understand or value an education or not, etc etc. And the teacher, at high school, gets a few hours a week with the kid? The kid could be motivated and willing to learn but many many many aren't. Also the teims have changed and parents spoon feed their kids more instead of making them work for it... it is difficult but I do agree that there are a lot of bad teachers.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I always thought that was a supremely stupid statement. There are bad lawyers, doctors, cops, teachers, etc. etc. The good teachers are those that can do, and do it well. That is teaching. Teaching is a skill that not many have. It is a balance of patience, psychology, knowledge, being able to explain things in ways that many can understand... etc. I know teachers that have come to teaching after dealing with the corruption and ineptitude of the private sector as well.
    I think that saying comes from the fact that many teachers... not all, but many... have taught their entire professional lives, and have only theory to fall back on and relate to their students. It is not uncommon for the lessons of a lifelong teacher to differ from the lessons of someone who has actually put it into practice.

    In my industry (civil engineering) the most common phrase you hear from new grads is, "They never taught us that in school." In my own experience, when it came to applied classes, the better instructors tended to be those who had some real-life experience to relate. In a math or history class it really didn't matter.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A lot of them, I don't think are. I'd be entirely fine if teachers all made the same amount of money and, either on a quarterly or once a semester term, they were eligible for raises or bonuses based on the demonstrable improvement in their classroom. I'd love to see students required to take a standardized exam at the end of every single year of school, those scores become the starting place for the next teacher and on some interval, they get a bonus (quarter or semester) or a raise (annual) for beating some objective standard. If they don't make it, they don't get the money. We just need to make sure that the teacher is actually teaching and the kids are actually learning, the teacher or the school isn't just gaming the system.
    That can work in a lot of situations but the fact is that there are many kids that don't care about education... this would negatively impact some teachers that are forced to teach the lower level classes and special edcaution.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The better colleges pay their instructors more and get better results. There is no reason to think that the same wouldn't happen with public K-12 schools if handled correctly. Many people opt out of teaching because they can get better pay (and working conditions) elsewhere. Higher pay will generate more candidates for teaching positions, allowing schools the ability to choose only the better ones.
    Wrong. Public school is filled with students that have to be there. Colleges are filled with students that want to be there. big difference.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I think that saying comes from the fact that many teachers... not all, but many... have taught their entire professional lives, and have only theory to fall back on and relate to their students. It is not uncommon for the lessons of a lifelong teacher to differ from the lessons of someone who has actually put it into practice.

    In my industry (civil engineering) the most common phrase you hear from new grads is, "They never taught us that in school." In my own experience, when it came to applied classes, the better instructors tended to be those who had some real-life experience to relate. In a math or history class it really didn't matter.
    We have accounting teachers that used to be accountants. A science teacher that was a wine maker, things like that. History you can't really have unless you get really old people to teach about past times. Agreed that the best practical teachers would be those that did instead of not.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I think that saying comes from the fact that many teachers... not all, but many... have taught their entire professional lives, and have only theory to fall back on and relate to their students. It is not uncommon for the lessons of a lifelong teacher to differ from the lessons of someone who has actually put it into practice.
    In my industry (civil engineering) the most common phrase you hear from new grads is, "They never taught us that in school." In my own experience, when it came to applied classes, the better instructors tended to be those who had some real-life experience to relate. In a math or history class it really didn't matter.
    I agree with this.

    Think the movie Back To School with Rodney Dangerfield in the econimics class.


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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well yeah, there's no formula for this type of thing. I just wanted to portray that a child succeeding is about the child and not about the teacher, who is just doing his or her job. It's just something you "have" to say, like a Grammy winner thanking God, or a Super Bowl winning quarterback thanking his coach after throwing 6 touchdowns.
    As a teacher I take almost no credit to students that succeed. It is their accomplishment. I just guided them to the knowledge or gave them other ways to approach it.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wrong. Public school is filled with students that have to be there. Colleges are filled with students that want to be there. big difference.
    That doesn't change the fact that higher pay will attract more candidates for the job, allowing schools to be choosier about who they hire.

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