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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Oh yea, you are right.
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    mak: I know some folks like that, but the vast majority of people--I've seen at least--go for better pay and benefits--especially if they're raising kids.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I voted yes, but the question is a little simple for the nuance needed to explain. Obviously the calibre of educators that populate the top 50 Prep schools would command a higher salary than say someone who is a public school teacher in PoDunk, Nebraska. Now if the question is in the context that pay should be attached to performance of the student, than I must emphatically say NO!!!!

    Should a person who has a generic degree in Education (BA) from a half way decent school make the same as person who has a specific, subject related degree, (e.g. History, Math, English) from another comparable mediocre school? No, I don't believe they should. You're education should be in direct relation to the specific subject you are teaching. This would limit elementary school teachers, whose task is to give a foundational perhaps, but not necessarily, there are other measures which can reveal the quality of an educators work that doesn't have to be connected to the success of the student.

    This is all relevant only if we continue with the same pedagogical framework. I personally believe we need a great reformation regarding the way and means in which we educate our children. The pedagogy is the problem first and foremost and that i what needs to be addressed, not what a teacher should and should be making and certainly it shouldn't be predicated on the external circumstances that aren't in their complete control.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    I didn't vote because the correlation between pay and quality exists on a scale depending on a number of other factors. COL in the community, cost of other benefits, skillset of the teachers involved, etc. Depending upon the school district and education, training, benefits offered, a teacher can make a very good living.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

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    I'm sorry but it wouldn't work for me.

    No. That's what you're apparently suggesting. What I'm suggesting is when you offer more pay to a profession like teaching you will see more higher qualified applicants that will apply to your area. Not saying that just anybody won't apply, but then that's where you check through the resumes and evaluate the proper person.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I voted yes, but the question is a little simple for the nuance needed to explain. Obviously the calibre of educators that populate the top 50 Prep schools would command a higher salary than say someone who is a public school teacher in PoDunk, Nebraska. Now if the question is in the context that pay should be attached to performance of the student, than I must emphatically say NO!!!!

    Should a person who has a generic degree in Education (BA) from a half way decent school make the same as person who has a specific, subject related degree, (e.g. History, Math, English) from another comparable mediocre school? No, I don't believe they should. You're education should be in direct relation to he specific subject you are teaching. This would limit elementary school teachers, whose task is to give a foundational perhaps, but not necessarily, there are other measures which can reveal the quality of an educators work that doesn't have to be connected to the success of the student.

    This is all relevant only if we continue with the same pedagogical framework. I personally believe we need a great reformation regarding the way and means in which we educate our children. The pedagogy is the problem first and foremost and that i what needs to be addressed, not what a teacher should and should be making and certainly it shouldn't be predicated on the external circumstances that aren't in their complete control.
    The teachers who should be paid the most are the ones who can actually make a difference in the inner city schools where the deck is stacked against them and against their students. There aren't many, but the few heroes who can actually teach kids who come from a background of welfare, drugs, and gangs should be well paid for their contributions to society. Of course, we can't afford to pay them what they're really worth, but then, we can' afford to pay fire fighters what it's worth to rescue people from burning buildings either.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The teachers who should be paid the most are the ones who can actually make a difference in the inner city schools where the deck is stacked against them and against their students. There aren't many, but the few heroes who can actually teach kids who come from a background of welfare, drugs, and gangs should be well paid for their contributions to society. Of course, we can't afford to pay them what they're really worth, but then, we can' afford to pay fire fighters what it's worth to rescue people from burning buildings either.
    I have that thought from time to time, then I see some youtube clip of one of those teachers who apparently thinks "axe" is now a replacement for "ask" and that Obama is god himself, and I change my mind.

    That said, the same goes for teachers in poor rural areas.

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The teachers who should be paid the most are the ones who can actually make a difference in the inner city schools where the deck is stacked against them and against their students. There aren't many, but the few heroes who can actually teach kids who come from a background of welfare, drugs, and gangs should be well paid for their contributions to society. Of course, we can't afford to pay them what they're really worth, but then, we can' afford to pay fire fighters what it's worth to rescue people from burning buildings either.
    What's your definition of "worth"? Is there some economic basis for it, or are you just making a bunch of dreams and wishes?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The teachers who should be paid the most are the ones who can actually make a difference in the inner city schools where the deck is stacked against them and against their students. There aren't many, but the few heroes who can actually teach kids who come from a background of welfare, drugs, and gangs should be well paid for their contributions to society. Of course, we can't afford to pay them what they're really worth, but then, we can' afford to pay fire fighters what it's worth to rescue people from burning buildings either.
    But then that goes back to the child, his or her aptitude and drive, not simply a matter of a teacher's ability.

    I'll give an example. 2 Students. 1 white, the other black. both poor. Both raised by a single mother and both having siblings. Both went to same sub par schools K-12. Same teachers for the most part, same classes. same cultural influences. Both caddied. 1 today is a truck driver(white) and the other a very prominent doctor(black).

    (Affirmative Action had nothing to do with it, and I'm not knocking on truckers only making a true life comparison)

    Did the teacher do this or did the student? Was it's the students drive for success, or the qualifications of the teachers?

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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I have that thought from time to time, then I see some youtube clip of one of those teachers who apparently thinks "axe" is now a replacement for "ask" and that Obama is god himself, and I change my mind.

    That said, the same goes for teachers in poor rural areas.
    Yes, it does, and no, the teachers who can't say "ask" aren't the ones I've been talking about.
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    Re: Do you think there is a correlation between teacher pay and quality of education?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What's your definition of "worth"? Is there some economic basis for it, or are you just making a bunch of dreams and wishes?
    I'm talking about human worth as well as economic. If a teacher can steer ten students away from welfare dependence and toward productive lives, how much does that save in economic terms? A teacher who does that year in and year out is producing far more than we can afford to pay them.

    and that's not even factoring in the richer fuller lives that those students will lead.
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