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  • Moral Argument

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  • Hardship Argument

    9 18.00%
  • I Said So Argument

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  • Waste Encouragement Argument

    10 20.00%
  • I don't agree with any of these arguments.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I do have a counter argument to the Moral Argument that drives people crazy. I just don't have a fancy name for it. I still don't see how it would have fit into this poll.

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    Your moral arguement in the OP was based on feelings. What else would moral argument be?

    Lucky for me. I'm not a professional. That sounds like a lot of work.
    If it was easy everyone would be objective. lol

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Your moral arguement in the OP was based on feelings. What else would moral argument be?
    Actually, if it is based on feelings, it is not a moral argument. Morality is a system of rules.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Your moral arguement in the OP was based on feelings. What else would moral judgements be?
    I'm not sure what you mean by this question but I am assuming that you are suggesting that my moral argument was shallow.

    Kantian Ethics suggest that morality is universal and every person is aware of what is right and what is wrong.
    Judeo-Christian Ethics (Thou shalt not steal.) suggest that property does have an owner and to violate the rights of that owner is morally reprehensible.

    Kantian Ethics offers an exercise. If every single person took the same action that I take would society function? If the answer is yes. It is moral. If the answer is no. It is immoral.

    If every single human imposed a tax on every other single human being it wouldn't function properly. Taxation allows elected officials to exercise a different moral code. Which Kant suggests is impossible.

    I hope I understood your question.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?
    I typically see it a different way. I recognize that some taxes are necessary, but I don't see how 30-40%+ taxes could even remotely be necessary. The biggest argument against raising taxes is that our government has shown that they are irresponsible with the money they have, so why should we be giving them more of it? By raising taxes you're rewarding politicians for doing horrible jobs, and that's not the way you handle things in the real world. If your teenage kid were in massive credit card debt and couldn't live within their means, you wouldn't think the solution would be giving him/her more money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    When taxes are cut the entire nation suffers.
    Taxes need to go up.
    Especially for the wealthiest and big corporations.
    Yes, we should show the government that we approve of their actions by giving them more money and more power. I'm sure they'll be responsible with the new money.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Actually, if it is based on feelings, it is not a moral argument. Morality is a system of rules.
    Not everyone follows the rules which can create moral hazards. This might be a moral hazard....


    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I am a person that pays no taxes. I don't like that....

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    This might be a moral hazard....
    See post below.
    Last edited by vasuderatorrent; 10-27-13 at 06:38 AM. Reason: Deleting my post because of an ah ha moment.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Not everyone follows the rules which can create moral hazards. This might be a moral hazard....
    Nevermind. I see what you mean now. I think you have it backwards though. Wouldn't I be more inclined to support higher taxes since I am not impacted by it? Perhaps I don't understand what a moral hazard is.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Nevermind. I see what you mean now. I think you have it backwards though. Wouldn't I be more inclined to support higher taxes since I am not impacted by it? Perhaps I don't understand what a moral hazard is.

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    When people don't pay any taxes at all it creates a moral hazard because they benefit what other people who do pay taxes are paying for.

    I think it might have something to do with zero sum game theory.

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    When people don't pay any taxes at all it creates a moral hazard because they benefit what other people who do pay taxes are paying for.

    I think it might have something to do with zero sum game theory.
    Very impressive argument in such few words. I like it. Now you might see why I don't like the fact that I am not obligated to pay taxes. It really weakens my capacity to debate. Debating is one of my favorite things to do.

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    Last edited by vasuderatorrent; 10-27-13 at 07:22 AM. Reason: moot is awesome

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    Re: What is your favorite argument against higher taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, this is what I was expecting. To start with it, the idea laid out here abandons the very idea that citizens own valuation of commodities is important and simply assumes it for themselves. It simply assumes that the value of the product offered to the rich man, who retains more after paying his personal outgoing, will desire more public expenditure than the poor man, due to the fact that he will have higher surplus of goods to use for other purposes. They have no way to determine what the individual man values are to be used to figure this out, except his total amount of income, as I have shown. If we are to look at the political leans of the rich you would see the full gambit of political thought are represented, and in fact, the two leading categorical groups are liberals and libertarians, which as you might be aware, do not desire the same amount of public expenditure, as is what was assumed. It should be apparent that the only way to truly determine the value of the commodity is through voluntary exchange, not through assumptions based on income and of personal value of public expenditures based on it.
    If there were a cogent argument here I would be glad to debate it. I am defending the reasons for a progressive income tax and you are rambling on about commodities values, liberals and libertarians.
    Sorry, you make no sense.

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