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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Thus far all discussions surrounding a national ID have been cost-prohibitive, and a bureaucratic mess.
    The Europeans do it, I'm sure America can do it and again it is not that hard to get I.D..

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The Europeans do it, I'm sure America can do it and again it is not that hard to get I.D..
    Again, from all recent proposals over the past decade have been really weak in terms of bureaucratic support, state or national support, and cost a great deal of money. Then there were the civil liberties issues that piped up, among different political camps (each issuing their own objections).
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    An ID ought to be a part of everyday life. It should be required for anything official. It's not a poll tax, it's a basic necessity of life and an expectation that every adult must have, without exception. Those without one ought to be breaking the law and should be ticketed, just like you are if you're caught driving without a license.
    This is not the USSR, comrade.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I have no problem with voter ID laws as long as the default position is allowing people to vote. Then, if it was fraudlent, arrest them and max out their sentence. The real issue isnt that the Republicans care a hoot about it, they too know there is really very little fraudlent voting, the thing is most of the people who have ID issues vote democrat. So it really is a RW attempt to stop Demo voters.
    Democrats don't have driver's licenses?
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Again, from all recent proposals over the past decade have been really weak in terms of bureaucratic support, state or national support, and cost a great deal of money. Then there were the civil liberties issues that piped up, among different political camps (each issuing their own objections).
    Really how hard is it to practically just change the text on templates for drivers licenses to say national I.D.? Did no one ever think of just using the shut up and deal with it policy.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    This isn't about papers, it's about a requirement that you identify yourself should you do something wrong. If you want to live on your mountain, go ahead, so long as you have your identification. How would anyone know you were not a citizen if you were not required to prove it? Your right to vote is predicated on your citizenship.
    Prove you're a citizen.



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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Democrats don't have driver's licenses?
    Well since a lot of Democratic voters come from cities they may not need one as public transport exists. Though I don't know why since North American public transport sucks.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well since a lot of Democratic voters come from cities they may not need one as public transport exists. Though I don't know why since North American public transport sucks.
    Even if a person doesn't drive, they have some form of identification.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    The Europeans do it, I'm sure America can do it and again
    it is not that hard to get I.D.
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    It might not be that hard for you but for some people it's a major problem.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Really how hard is it to practically just change the text on templates for drivers licenses to say national I.D.? Did no one ever think of just using the shut up and deal with it policy.
    We are a federalist system, for one. You have to grant powers to an existing portion of the federal government to do it, essentially overturning current mode and thought of operations. The problem is, the SSA, who has the closest thing we have to a national ID, will not get the jurisdiction. The Department of Homeland Security won't accept the responsibility, since current interpretations from all previous Secretaries is that it goes against its legal powers. Once you set up the bureaucracy (and lord, that's a whole lot of steps missing), you have to shoot it all the way down to the local level (and with the REAL ID system, they are still having difficulty getting states on board).

    On top of that, you need to fund the reorganization. That will cost billions. You need additional security features. That bumps up the cost per ID massively (prior estimates under previous proposals shot the cost at or above passport levels).

    Then you deal with the political bombs regarding profiling, harassment, and government intrusion.

    I know I am overlooking many other details, but that's some of the problems as of yet.
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