Be sure to work hard and get lots of overtime. People on welfare want more steaks and free upgrades to smart phones with unlimited data packages.
Oh no. I am an American citizen and have every right to move around my country without my papers. If I move up on a moutain have have no contact with civilization until time to vote, and I come down from the moutain, I have every right to vote anyone else does. It is that simple. I should then be allowed to vote. If I was really not an American citizen then the authorities should come up the mountain and arrest me and throw me in jail for the max. As a practicle matter I can see almost everyone having ID. but hte default position is allowing people to vote.
God Bless the Marine Corps.
How do people open banks accounts without ID? Easy. They open the account when they had a valid ID then because of the 500% increase in the renewal fee and extra documentation they'd have to hunt down and/or order they simply let it expire. Of course they cannot open NEW accounts but they already have one that works fine. How do they buy a house or rent? Same thing. How do they sign up for SS? Same thing, they're already signed up back before it expired. How do they cash a check at a currency exchange? They don't; they have direct deposit or they sign it over to a friend or relative who has an account who gives them the cash after it clears. This is just their younger sister who struggles to make ends meet, not the whole family. Then, to get her license reinstated, because she let it expire and its been a while she not only has the extra hassle of the Real ID requirements, she has to take the written and road tests over again and decides not to bother.
Again, not a huge number, just enough to skim off a few votes here and there that cumulatively might might a difference in a close race in a swing state.
To me the fact that its not likely to affect many people isn't the issue. What bothers me is mindset of the government leaders who tried it who likely had access to data showing the federal Real ID requirements were leading to a reduced number of licensed drivers in urban areas with adequate public transportation systems. That coupled with reducing early the voting schedule that "coincidentally" eliminated days they knew minorities voted in large percentages in the past. Add to that reducing early voting hours in neighborhoods where minorities live but leaving them opened longer in mostly non-minority neighborhoods IN THE SAME STATE. This after the sworn testimony from the top GOP official in Florida who stated UNDER OATH party officials held strategy meeting on how to legally reduce minority voting. Obviously it didn't work. In fact it backfired in their faces as minorities around the country camped out in parking lots the night before early voting began, stood in line till midnight on election day and probably turned off not just minorities but Americans of all races for many elections to come that this is what the party of family values calls standing up for principle and doing the right thing. I'm not focused on how many if any were affected. I'm focused on do I want to put my support behind a party that would pull such a stunt despite its utter failure.
Last edited by Smeagol; 10-25-13 at 03:06 PM.
Having opinions all over the map is a good sign of a person capable of autonomous thinking. Felix -2011
Gee, who do poor people, the elderly, and students tend to vote for...
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I go out and jog at lunch all the time in shorts, socks, shoes, a shirt, and no papers. If a police officer contacts me in the performance of his duties I do have a responsiblity to identify myself. As long as I do honestly, no problem. If I lie I can be leagally charged with false ID or some such charge. the same should be true with voting. As a rule I always have ID, but there are exceptions. Same should be true with voters.
God Bless the Marine Corps.