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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why do you suppose estimates from both political parties are that hundreds of thousands of mostly Democratic voters will be thrown off the rolls, purged, though they have legally voted in the past several decades, like the Rexas female Judge ?
    Because some Republicans are paranoid about the presumed massive illegal immigrant voting, and some Democrats are eager to present the whole thing as a Republican plot against minorities?

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    BTW, to get to the 2 closest DMVs in my area it is about 2-3 buses...and I live in a very well populated area. And I have a computer to research what I need.

    I am not saying no to IDs, I am just saying that most of us posting on this board likely have lives that we individually would never come close to understanding how complex a seemingly simple task can be for someone of little means.
    Sure. But getting to the polling booth itself may take 2-3 buses as well - or a small fortune in gasoline, in some rural areas.

    None of us on this board will ever get close to understanding what it is like, to be illiterate. But some American citizens are, at least functionally. Should every voter who doesn't really understand what's on the ballot be given an interpreter and a couple of sworn witnesses, to prevent cheating?

    We are talking about pretty basic stuff. Only citizens can vote. And they can vote only once in every given election. Nobody is objecting to these rules. The only way to make these rules enforceable is verification of the voters' identity.

    Doing virtually anything that has to do with any kind of documents is marginally more difficult for the poor, the uneducated and the new arrivals (it certainly was for me, as a fresh immigrant without English, back in 1986), but it is hardly a good reason to abandon transparency in the democratic process.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Very, very few people risk prison to be one in a million vote, the Repubs know that but if they can discourage a few demo voters. They just want to discourage the immigrant or anyone else who likely wont vote republican, you know, the 47%. that is why they lapse into the freeeee **** to signify exactly who they are talking about. It is not like they say "them people" but pretty close.
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    Because some Republicans are paranoid about the presumed massive illegal immigrant voting, and some Democrats are eager to present the whole thing as a Republican plot against minorities?
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    And?

    Here is the thing you need to show quantifiable voter fraud in order to promote a limit upon someone's rights. So far you have some statistics that show voter registration but nothing that shows a significant fraud amount. On top of the numerous articles talking about how low voter fraud is and now in NC their voter ID laws would stop 1 or 2 fraud votes meanwhile preventing or making it harder for 900,000+ people to vote. It doesn't make sense.

    Technically I'm registered to vote in two states, I only live in one. I have voted once in every election I have been able to. However, my original state doesn't have any voter de-registeration ability, I have to wait for their time frame to clean out their own registration entries. That sure isn't my fault. Same thing for dead voter registrations, they are registered but they aren't voting.
    Actually it shows why Pew says the System is flawed as it is.....which means they are still on the lists.

    Which then still leaves that question over Early voting which one has to have an ID and those that vote on the same day.....and some sort of excuse why on the day when one votes they don't need the ID. ......doesn't it?

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Sure. But getting to the polling booth itself may take 2-3 buses as well - or a small fortune in gasoline, in some rural areas.

    None of us on this board will ever get close to understanding what it is like, to be illiterate. But some American citizens are, at least functionally. Should every voter who doesn't really understand what's on the ballot be given an interpreter and a couple of sworn witnesses, to prevent cheating?

    We are talking about pretty basic stuff. Only citizens can vote. And they can vote only once in every given election. Nobody is objecting to these rules. The only way to make these rules enforceable is verification of the voters' identity.

    Doing virtually anything that has to do with any kind of documents is marginally more difficult for the poor, the uneducated and the new arrivals (it certainly was for me, as a fresh immigrant without English, back in 1986), but it is hardly a good reason to abandon transparency in the democratic process.
    But in this quest to make absolutely super-duper sure that everyone that votes should be voting, how much voter fraud are we actually preventing?

    More effort is being spent trying to make sure people don't vote that have a right to.....felony lists and not making sure you got an actual felon.....mass mailings trying to "catch" people who have moved. Not having enough polling booths in areas of concentrated population - with huge waits (frequently in the bad weather) for people who are just scraping by on low paying jobs. Those issues are likely more prominent than actual voter fraud...I just wish people cared about that more.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    It is not fraud if you are on the rolls, it is only fraud if you vote. The Repbulicans insist on confusing the two. There is very little fraud, there is no evidence there is, and in this case, the abscence of evidence, is evidnece. If bus loads of "them" people were voting there would be 1000s of arrests every election, it just aint true.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Actually it shows why Pew says the System is flawed as it is.....which means they are still on the lists.

    Which then still leaves that question over Early voting which one has to have an ID and those that vote on the same day.....and some sort of excuse why on the day when one votes they don't need the ID. ......doesn't it?
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I honestly believe that the intent of these laws is to do partisan disenfranchisement. It can be used by Repubs or Dems and is about who is controlling local politics. It would be disproportionately biased against low income voters. The 10 nuns are an excellent example of flawed law. I also worry about corrupted code in the electronic voting process. Let's address that before we disenfranchise.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    But in this quest to make absolutely super-duper sure that everyone that votes should be voting, how much voter fraud are we actually preventing?.
    THAT is the question. As I have mentioned earlier.

    The problem is, we have no way of knowing, until we have the verification system in place.

    Some Democrats claim that there's virtually no fraud, because very few instances are documented. But isn't it a bit like saying that there's no crime in Town X, because no arrests are being made there - while there's no police in Town X?

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    In some cultures, people believe that taking a photograph of your face steals your soul. Representatives of these cultures who happen to be American citizens will be severely disenfranchised.
    Those people are idiots.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with demanding a person to legally identify themselves before being able to vote. In fact, that's how it should have always been. If you're too lazy to get ID, you don't need to be voting IMO. I don't care about any of the excuses either. Most of these people have had a lifetime to get an ID, it's not my fault they haven't bothered.
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