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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    I'm all for voter ID. When you leave the military they should issue you an ID. If you don't have one, you don't vote. Don't want to risk you life for your country, then why should you be allowed to vote for politicians to hand you out entitlements?
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    It depends on how much the ID costs, how easy it is to get one standard fare, and how easy it is to take advantage of free and/or discount ID programs. While it is customary here, our IDs are very cheap, nor are they currently required. We are also the only state in the union without voter registration.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    I have no problem with voter ID requirements even if the eligible voter has to pay for the ID out of pocket.

    Calling that a "poll tax" is retarded.

    If we start playing that stupid game it never has to end.

    Since very few eligible voters live next door to their polling place they require some sort of transportation to get to there.

    Is the public required to reimburse me for the gas and the wear-and-tear on my vehicle when I drive over to vote?

    They should be.

    Placing an economic barrier like providing for my own transportation between me and the voting booth is a poll tax!!!!

    What if I have to take a train, bus, or catch a cab?

    Again, poll tax!!!

    Walk you say?

    Barefoot? In November?

    You're out of your mind.

    It's cold in November in the Northeast. I need shoes on my feet.

    Paying for those shoes is a de facto poll tax!!!!

    And besides, how do you expect me to walk all the way to the polling place on an empty stomach?

    We're talking about a three mile hike here.

    I need to eat a meal before I leave the house in order to have the energy to walk all the way there, up hill, both ways (possibly in the snow).

    The cost of my breakfast?

    Poll tax!!!!

    I have poor eyesight and require glasses in order to read a ballot.

    I don't have vision insurance and I can't afford to pay for a pair of eyeglasses.

    If the public doesn't provide me with eyeglasses, free of charge, that's right - poll tax.

    We can go on, and on, and on, and on.

    This whole "poll tax" argument is stupid.

    The cost of living in the modern world isn't a "poll tax".
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I would normally say no but currently its a maybe and here's why.

    1. A swing state Republican official testified under oath that the republican party in his state held party strategy meetings on measures that could be legally taken to limit minority voting. I think its fair to reason the various state GOP organizations have occasion to confer with one another to participate in national strategy pow wows. In 2012 in states where republican officials held power but with significant minority populations, NEW rules were enacted that just so happen to make registering to vote and voting itself, not impossible but disproportionally less convenient for MINORITIES.

    2. The most common form of ID is a driver's license. However, today there is less of a practical necessity of having a driver's license.
    - At one time, a driver's license was needed to cash checks - Toady most people have direct deposit.
    - Major urban centers have adequate public transportation systems; subways, light rail, buses, etc. In Atlanta for example, MARTA promises to get commuters form any any point in the metro area to any point in the metro area within 1 mile in under 60 minutes. It just so happens major urban centers are made up of large minority populations and further, the people more likely to use public transportation than non-minorities.

    3. For quite some time now but especially after 9/11, the federal government has been pushing for a national ID system, albeit unsuccessfully over "Big Brother" arguments. As a result of numerous failed attempts to roll out a national ID, the federal government got cleaver and decided to sneak it in under the radar by superimposing the National ID on an ID most people already had, their driver's license. The new joint Driver's License/National ID is called the Real ID. You may have heard of it. If you haven't done so recently, the next time you get your driver's license renewed you'll be required to present an assortment of documentation unusual to past driver's license renewal. In addition, you're fee to renew will be between $50 and $60, cost prohibitive for the poor.

    If your check is directly deposited, you use public transportation and to renew you license you'll have to do without maybe as much food for a week; why bother? Its more likely the person making that decision is a minority.
    Well there really shouldn't be any tampering by either side. But then you know its not played like that. Worse is When the Deed is done with knowledge and participation by the National Party Organization.

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    The top state and national party leaders, including Florida congressmen Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Ted Deutsch, and Alecee Hastings, signed off on the gerrymandered maps, according to the emails released during court discovery in Romo v. Scott, a legal challenge to redistricting maps that the GOP-controlled state legislature approved in 2012.

    “For several months the Florida Democratic Party has engaged in a legal fight over redistricting in Florida,” Florida Democratic chair Rod Smith wrote to a representative of the Teamsters Union in March 2012. “We believe that Florida can be turned from red to blue if we are successful in our efforts.”

    Redistricting maps produced by Democratic consulting firm NCEC Services were shared with attorneys at Perkins Coie, general counsel for the DNC, the emails show.

    Those maps were then vetted by Smith, the DCCC, and Reps. Wasserman Schultz, Hastings, and Deutsch.

    “Will speak with DWS tomorrow morning to clear it with her,” Charles Kelly, the DCCC’s southern regional political director, wrote in a March 2012 email. “Will make necessary calls tomorrow AM and DWS sign-off and we should be good!”

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I have no issue with the laws themselves, but think they should only exist if there is a free government photo ID available in that state. However, if no such avenue exists then I believe it's unreasonable as it essentially demands payment for the ability to vote.

    I also question the notions regarding the low number of voter fraud, as they generally look at provable instances of voter fraud while ignoring that based on the current requirements I'm unsure how plausible the notion of "proving" various types of fraud on a wide scale basis is.
    absolutely right

    I myself am ok with voter ID laws as long as like you said, the ID is free or something along those lines.

    If the ID is free and vastly/easily obtainable at say government facilities including post offices, libraries, at the polling place etc and other forms of generally accepted IDs are also usable I see no issue with it.

    and also like you I question the motive. Why? because what usually accompanies the voter ID bills are all these other things. Like moving/relocating polling places, changing voter times, eliminating voting dates/days and none of it can logically be linked to preventing fraud.

    Just seems odd, not gonna guess one way or another but i just want a system that works and that is secure but also very easy.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    In this political climate where Republican voter fraud takes the form of trying to prevent those from voting who should be eligible to vote and democrat fraud takes the form of getting votes from those who aren't, perhaps we should consider why this is so.

    and having said that, may the countdown begin for a strong partisan on one side or the other to claim it is only the other guy. 5 4 3 2

    In any case, I think voter I.D. is a good idea and think it should be implemented on a national scale, streamlined in such a way that here isn't too much excessive mumbo jumbo involved in getting one.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    In this political climate where Republican voter fraud takes the form of trying to prevent those from voting who should be eligible to vote and democrat fraud takes the form of getting votes from those who aren't, perhaps we should consider why this is so.

    and having said that, may the countdown begin for a strong partisan on one side or the other to claim it is only the other guy. 5 4 3 2

    In any case, I think voter I.D. is a good idea and think it should be implemented on a national scale, streamlined in such a way that here isn't too much excessive mumbo jumbo involved in getting one.
    im fine with this too as long as its free and easily accessible at government building and or the polling place. Streamline and national is probably the best way to go for the many cases of students/military etc. Other forms of ID also need to be acceptable and just like in most cases everybody still gets to vote but a window of verification is in effect.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How many cases of What.....Voter Fraud? Whats That.....No Such thing In Chicago and Illinois. Democrats rule here doncha knows.
    Its roughly .0001% of the votes are fraudulent. Acceptable risk as opposed to preventing people from voting by new age jim crow laws.

    snopes.com: 2012 Voter Fraud
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    Its roughly .0001% of the votes are fraudulent. Acceptable risk as opposed to preventing people from voting by new age jim crow laws.

    snopes.com: 2012 Voter Fraud

    Here is what I have on it.....

    Plain truth about voter fraud

    You need a government-issued photo ID to vote early in Illinois.

    How did liberals ever allow that? After all, isn't requiring an ID an unvarnished GOP plot against Democratic voters? Isn't it an undue burden to expect minorities, the poor and students — the party's "base" — to produce photo identification cards? Isn't it racist?

    Voter fraud. For an entire generation of Chicagoans, it's a relic, like an old streetcar retired to a museum and no longer operating. A nostalgic Election Day joke that few take seriously: "Vote early and often."

    Voter fraud is a fine art: ghost voting and buying votes; voting as a dead guy or from a fictitious address; "helping" supposedly confused voters by entering the voting booth and marking the "right" candidates; wheeling in masses of senile or medicated patients from nursing homes; deploying partisan election judges and precinct captains (read: enforcers) who campaign or intimidate voters in the polling place; and jiggering with the vote count after the polls close. The opportunities are endless.

    Yet, Democrats would have us believe that the voting rolls here and across America are as clean as a whistle, so voter IDs and other measures to counter cheating are unnecessary and, indeed, violative of civil rights. Efforts to cleanse thousands of ineligible names from the rolls, most recently in Florida, are compared to the dark days of Jim Crow — as if your right to vote fraudulently is a civil right.

    On the other hand, the nonpartisan Pew Center on the States has concluded in a study, "Inaccurate, Costly and Inefficient," that the voter registration system badly needs a fix. "Voter registration lists are used to assign precincts, send sample ballots, provide polling place information, identify and verify voters at polling places, and determine how resources, such as paper ballots and voting machines, are deployed on Election Day," the study said.

    Pew estimates that in America about 24 million voter registrations are invalid or significantly inaccurate. More than 1.8 million dead people are on the lists, and about 2.75 million people are registered in more than one state.

    In Illinois, you don't need valid photo identification to vote on Election Day. Just show up and provide a signature that remotely resembles the one in the registration book — a system that invites fraud. Only when you vote early must you provide a voter ID in Illinois.

    So if it is reasonable to require a photo ID when voting early, why isn't it reasonable to require one on Election Day?.....snip~

    Getting rid of voter fraud - Chicago Tribune

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here is what I have on it.....

    Plain truth about voter fraud

    You need a government-issued photo ID to vote early in Illinois.

    How did liberals ever allow that? After all, isn't requiring an ID an unvarnished GOP plot against Democratic voters? Isn't it an undue burden to expect minorities, the poor and students — the party's "base" — to produce photo identification cards? Isn't it racist?

    Voter fraud. For an entire generation of Chicagoans, it's a relic, like an old streetcar retired to a museum and no longer operating. A nostalgic Election Day joke that few take seriously: "Vote early and often."

    Voter fraud is a fine art: ghost voting and buying votes; voting as a dead guy or from a fictitious address; "helping" supposedly confused voters by entering the voting booth and marking the "right" candidates; wheeling in masses of senile or medicated patients from nursing homes; deploying partisan election judges and precinct captains (read: enforcers) who campaign or intimidate voters in the polling place; and jiggering with the vote count after the polls close. The opportunities are endless.

    Yet, Democrats would have us believe that the voting rolls here and across America are as clean as a whistle, so voter IDs and other measures to counter cheating are unnecessary and, indeed, violative of civil rights. Efforts to cleanse thousands of ineligible names from the rolls, most recently in Florida, are compared to the dark days of Jim Crow — as if your right to vote fraudulently is a civil right.

    On the other hand, the nonpartisan Pew Center on the States has concluded in a study, "Inaccurate, Costly and Inefficient," that the voter registration system badly needs a fix. "Voter registration lists are used to assign precincts, send sample ballots, provide polling place information, identify and verify voters at polling places, and determine how resources, such as paper ballots and voting machines, are deployed on Election Day," the study said.

    Pew estimates that in America about 24 million voter registrations are invalid or significantly inaccurate. More than 1.8 million dead people are on the lists, and about 2.75 million people are registered in more than one state.

    In Illinois, you don't need valid photo identification to vote on Election Day. Just show up and provide a signature that remotely resembles the one in the registration book — a system that invites fraud. Only when you vote early must you provide a voter ID in Illinois.

    So if it is reasonable to require a photo ID when voting early, why isn't it reasonable to require one on Election Day?.....snip~

    Getting rid of voter fraud - Chicago Tribune
    And?

    Here is the thing you need to show quantifiable voter fraud in order to promote a limit upon someone's rights. So far you have some statistics that show voter registration but nothing that shows a significant fraud amount. On top of the numerous articles talking about how low voter fraud is and now in NC their voter ID laws would stop 1 or 2 fraud votes meanwhile preventing or making it harder for 900,000+ people to vote. It doesn't make sense.

    Technically I'm registered to vote in two states, I only live in one. I have voted once in every election I have been able to. However, my original state doesn't have any voter de-registeration ability, I have to wait for their time frame to clean out their own registration entries. That sure isn't my fault. Same thing for dead voter registrations, they are registered but they aren't voting.
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