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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?


    “What I have used for voter registration and for identification for the last 52 years was not sufficient yesterday when I went to vote,” 117th District Court Judge Sandra Watts said.

    Watts has voted in every election for the last forty-nine years. The name on her driver’s license has remained the same for fifty-two years, and the address on her voter registration card or driver’s license hasn’t changed in more than two decades. So imagine her surprise when she was told by voting officials that she would have to sign a “voters affidavit” affirming she was who she said she was.

    “Someone looked at that and said, ‘Well, they’re not the same,’” Watts said.

    The difference? On the driver’s license, Judge Watts’s maiden name is her middle name. On her voter registration, it’s her actual middle name. That was enough under the new, more strict voter fraud law, to send up a red flag.
    Under the the section of the voter rights law that the USSC threw out this summer, this law was blocked. Once the USSC threw out that portion of the VRA Texas promptly passed it and this is the result. A judge was not allowed to vote.

    I'm sorry I cannot get the link to copy (I'm on my phone) but that quote us from The Nation.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    “What I have used for voter registration and for identification for the last 52 years was not sufficient yesterday when I went to vote,” 117th District Court Judge Sandra Watts said.

    Watts has voted in every election for the last forty-nine years. The name on her driver’s license has remained the same for fifty-two years, and the address on her voter registration card or driver’s license hasn’t changed in more than two decades. So imagine her surprise when she was told by voting officials that she would have to sign a “voters affidavit” affirming she was who she said she was.

    “Someone looked at that and said, ‘Well, they’re not the same,’” Watts said.

    The difference? On the driver’s license, Judge Watts’s maiden name is her middle name. On her voter registration, it’s her actual middle name. That was enough under the new, more strict voter fraud law, to send up a red flag.
    Under the the section of the voter rights law that the USSC threw out this summer, this law was blocked. Once the USSC threw out that portion of the VRA Texas promptly passed it and this is the result. A judge was not allowed to vote.

    I'm sorry I cannot get the link to copy (I'm on my phone) but that quote us from The Nation.

    You should read your own quote. Yes she was allowed to vote - she simply had to sign an affidavit as to who she was because the names didn't match on her ID's (which is her fault).


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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    The voter can sign an affidavit attesting to her true identity in some cases. If the election official deems the ID insufficient, the voter can fill out a provisional ballot – but that ballot will only be counted if he (or in this case, more likely she) comes back with an ID that matches.

    If it sounds like that would never happen, it already did. And remarkably, it happened to a Texas judge, Sandra Watts, who was voting inside her own courthouse.
    I'm on my phone. I chose the wrong story. The affidavit is only part of it, if you read above. My apologies. They have to come back with one that matches. There are many women who won't have the time for that and why should they if they are in the situation that the judge is.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm on my phone. I chose the wrong story. The affidavit is only part of it, if you read above. My apologies. They have to come back with one that matches. There are many women who won't have the time for that and why should they if they are in the situation that the judge is.

    Women don't have time to get an ID with their proper legal name?

    I think pretty much all states now have Motor Voter Registration where you can register to vote at your DMV. The solution isn't saying Voter ID laws apply to men - but oh women they don't have time to have proper ID's so we'll exempt the from the law, the solution is providing an easy and smooth name change process so that when you update your ID at a DMV it cross links into voter registration and updates the legal name their. Then to make it even easier, have the county clerks, those who issue marriage licenses - once the license is returned - register the name change into the same system which updates both the DMV record and the voter registration.

    I don't have an issue with the use of provisional ballots, it's the individual responsibility to make sure they are properly registered to vote. You'd think a Judge would know better. The law should allow, and if it doesn't I disagree with it, that when processing a name change the individual presents proof of identity and the legal instrument implementing a name change to complete the process. Let's say my name is Mark James Smith and I get married, I choose to adopt my wife's name (which men can do in many states) and I change my name to Mark Smith Wojahowitz (maybe my new wife is a corporate executive and makes big bucks so I take her name). I present my old ID showing "Mark James Smith", the legal instrument changing the name (the completed Marriage License) DMV issues me a new ID and electronically updates the voter rolls. One stop, new ID and ID and voter rolls match.


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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I see. From what I understand Obamacare does not require those who let their driver's licenses lapse get then reinstated because use public transportation and have no cars, have direct deposit and don't want to spend the additional money or hassle with rounding up extensive documentation in compliance with the Real ID Act as some states try to do in order to vote in 2012. What Obamacare does is require people to have private health insurance. I have health insurance and I don't remember having to show my insurance company an original (no photo copies allowed) copy of my birth certificate issued by the state where I was born, my social security card plus a passport issued by the State Department, a military ID or soon to expire driver's license and if a married female a copy of her marriage license. I don't recall providing any ID to my insurance company. I might have but I don't recall it. Good question.
    Every state I have checked provides a non-drivers license ID at no charge for those who qualify. In most cases, a birth certificate is not required. I haven't checked every state, but I've checked enough to conclude it must be universal.

    As to Obamacare, one of the new agencies set up outside of Obamacare itself is the Office of Health Information Technology. This new bureaucracy created when Democrats invented Obamacare is the new central clearing house for all patient medical records. The idea is all private medical records will be stored in "one data base" administered by the Federal Government, and will enable medical staff to gain access to patient medical records from anywhere. This means it will be critical for medical care providers to know precisely who it is they are providing care to.

    With potential lethal results should drugs or other forms of care conflict, proper medical identification will be crucial. With fines for not obtaining Obamacare coverage, and precise identification an obvious requirement, how does this fully supported fact square against the accusations of purposeful voter disenfranchisment mearly for asking that someone present the apparently impossible to get photo ID?

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Women don't have time to get an ID with their proper legal name?

    I think pretty much all states now have Motor Voter Registration where you can register to vote at your DMV. The solution isn't saying Voter ID laws apply to men - but oh women they don't have time to have proper ID's so we'll exempt the from the law, the solution is providing an easy and smooth name change process so that when you update your ID at a DMV it cross links into voter registration and updates the legal name their. Then to make it even easier, have the county clerks, those who issue marriage licenses - once the license is returned - register the name change into the same system which updates both the DMV record and the voter registration.

    I don't have an issue with the use of provisional ballots, it's the individual responsibility to make sure they are properly registered to vote. You'd think a Judge would know better. The law should allow, and if it doesn't I disagree with it, that when processing a name change the individual presents proof of identity and the legal instrument implementing a name change to complete the process. Let's say my name is Mark James Smith and I get married, I choose to adopt my wife's name (which men can do in many states) and I change my name to Mark Smith Wojahowitz (maybe my new wife is a corporate executive and makes big bucks so I take her name). I present my old ID showing "Mark James Smith", the legal instrument changing the name (the completed Marriage License) DMV issues me a new ID and electronically updates the voter rolls. One stop, new ID and ID and voter rolls match.


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    1. Texas requires women to have their maiden name on their DL since 1964.
    2. Women of her generation use their maiden as their middle name.
    3. It doesn't match their voter ID card.

    That's the problem though it's clear it's her. This is a problem loads of married, divorced or separated women will deal with. Including those who use hyphenated names.

    As to your motor voter suggestion, obviously that is not the case in Texas. The voter id she was using was not adequate though she's been married for 49 years.
    "I don't think most women know that this is going to create a problem," Watts said. That their maiden name is on their driver's license, which was mandated in 1964 when I got married, and this. And so why would I want to use a provisional ballot when I've been voting regular ballot for the last 49 years?"
    And again, they have to return with an exact id in order for their vote to count. Why should a woman like this be put through a second trip when her id was sufficient all those years. Or any woman?
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    This is the important stuff. We can’t get lost in discrimination. We can’t get lost in B.S. We can’t get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    This is exhausting using a phone.
    I use my phone to read, but rarely respond using it. I agree responding on a phone can be tough. When responding maybe you should use a real computing device (tablet, laptop, or desktop) - Just a suggestion.[/quote]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    1. Texas requires women to have their maiden name on their DL since 1964.
    TRANSPORTATION CODE CHAPTER 521. DRIVER'S LICENSES AND CERTIFICATES
    TxDPS - Change Information on Your Driver License or ID Card
    TxDPS - Identification Requirements

    The first link is to the official State of Texas Statutes on Transportation, specifically the section on Driver's Licenses and Certificate. I actually read it while out running errands and waiting for my wife, then I did separate a text searches for "Name" and "Maiden". No where did it require a woman to list a maiden name. Texas lists the full legal name of the person on Driver's Licenses and ID Certificates. The other two links show that if the names on identification documents don't match, then the individual must provide legal documentation of a name change (Marriage License, Divorce Decree, etc.) The ID is then amended and reissued with the new legal name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    2. Women of her generation use their maiden as their middle name.
    Understood and acknowledged, however what her legal name is and what she may have chosen in everyday life to use can be two completely different things. An individual only has one legal name and a Marriage Certificate is one way to execute a name change - others being a divorce decree and court approved.

    When a couple get married they have 4 basic options, lets apply them to Linda Lynn Lemore and John James Jones

    #1 Retain original name (yes people can and do to do that). With this choice the couple is married and their legal names are Linda Lynn Lemore and John James Jones.

    #2 Name change - Maiden Name. In this case the individual replaces their legal middle name with their maiden name creating a new legal name. So we have Linda Lemore James and John James Jones.

    #3 Name change - Original Middle Name. In this case the individual keeps their legal middle name replaces the last name to create a new legal name. So we have Linda Lynn Jones and John James Jones.

    #4 Name change - Hyphenated Name. In this case the individual keeps their legal middle name replaces the last name to create a new legal name. So we have Linda Lynn Lemore-James James and John James Jones.


    My wife and I have been married for close to 30 years, we discussed and she adopted option #3. Once the name change because final (i.e. the license was registered with the County Clerk) she began the process of changing her name at her employer, on her ID's, on her voter registration, Social Security, and all the other myriad places it needed to be changed.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    3. It doesn't match their voter ID card.
    Yep that's the problem, she didn't use her legal name where she needed to.

    Listen I'm a reasonable guy, a cross check of State ID and Voter registration will show the same SSN. Shouldn't be that big a deal in this day and ag


    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That's the problem though it's clear it's her. This is a problem loads of married, divorced or separated women will deal with. Including those who use hyphenated names.
    Yep, it's a problem. The individual is responsible to ensure they use their legal name for legal purposes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    As to your motor voter suggestion, obviously that is not the case in Texas. The voter id she was using was not adequate though she's been married for 49 years.
    Actually it was. She voted on a provisional ballot and was given an opportunity to correct the problem. If she is a responsible individual (and one would hope a Judge is a responsible individual) she corrected the problem and it shouldn't occur again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    And again, they have to return with an exact id in order for their vote to count. Why should a woman like this be put through a second trip when her id was sufficient all those years. Or any woman?
    What good is the common sense idea of someone needing to show proof of identify to cast their ballot and then say that the individual is not required to have an ID? That makes no sense.

    The ID wasn't sufficient because the law changed. I receive notification and a replacement Voter Registration card before each election from the County Clerk with a summary of any changes to the law and what requirements must be met to cast my ballot. If she received such information and choose to ignore it then the problem is with her, not with the system.


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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    The actual voter ID is a straw man.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Why is it wrong to need ID when you vote ,but it isn't wrong to show ID to buy a firearm which are both rights as Americans

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm on my phone. I chose the wrong story. The affidavit is only part of it, if you read above. My apologies. They have to come back with one that matches. There are many women who won't have the time for that and why should they if they are in the situation that the judge is.
    But that's really ridiculous. If voting is important enough for them, they will make time. It's like saying that people are disenfranchised because they're too lazy to get off the couch so we should send people to carry them out to a car, drive them to the polling place, move their finger, then take them back home. There's a point where the individual has to be personally responsible for their vote.
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