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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Would you believe me if I said I thought it out as I was writing the post?
    Yes, lol, I would! I have no clue if it would be logistically possible, but on paper it is a swell idea!

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yes, lol, I would! I have no clue if it would be logistically possible, but on paper it is a swell idea!
    I don't really see why not. It's absolutely insane that I can get my credit checked over the phone and my financial situation is available to anybody who can use Equifax, but somehow there isn't a registry for birth certificates that can be updated by showing up at a local DMV/Hospital/SS office or similar institutions. Think of it, just being able to give your SS number, answer 2-3 personal questions (number of children, name of parents etc) and then being confirmed as being who you say you are with a digitally stored picture as a second protection from fraud.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Then I hope the people in those cultures plan to never fly in an airplane, or travel outside of US borders. Seriously, unless one was raised in a South American rain forest, this is not a legitimate excuse for refusing to have a photo I.D.
    Ahm, it was not exactly a serious post....

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    How about college students who, in some states, are no longer allowed to use their college IDs to vote? Do you think that they carry their birth certificates in their back pocket? In some crazy places you need an ID to get an ID..
    Well, you don't have to be a citizen in order to have a college ID, right?

    But I agree with previous posters that if valid voter IDs are required for voting, they should be provided free of charge (unlike driving a car or attending a college, voting is a constitutional right of every citizen). Which leads to the question of cost-effectiveness. Is there really enough fraud going on to justify the expense? Which we will not really know until we institute a solid system of verification. Catch-22.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Well, you don't have to be a citizen in order to have a college ID, right?

    But I agree with previous posters that if valid voter IDs are required for voting, they should be provided free of charge (unlike driving a car or attending a college, voting is a constitutional right of every citizen). Which leads to the question of cost-effectiveness. Is there really enough fraud going on to justify the expense? Which we will not really know until we institute a solid system of verification. Catch-22.
    College ID's was on the list of valid photo ID's here in Georgia. Photo ID's are offered free here to. Proof of citizenship and residence are supposedly required at registration, but that is another topic for another day. The photo ID is just to prove that you are the one who is registered that is voting in your name. Georgia's photo ID law was one of a very few that wasn't challenged.

    One of the reasons Georgia started it was that in the 2002 election my neighbor went to vote in the afternoon only to find out someone had voted in her name already in the morning. That woke up some peoples eyes down here in my county as she wasn't the only one who went to vote only to find out someone else had voted in their place.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    College ID's was on the list of valid photo ID's here in Georgia. Photo ID's are offered free here to. Proof of citizenship and residence are supposedly required at registration, but that is another topic for another day. The photo ID is just to prove that you are the one who is registered that is voting in your name. Georgia's photo ID law was one of a very few that wasn't challenged.

    One of the reasons Georgia started it was that in the 2002 election my neighbor went to vote in the afternoon only to find out someone had voted in her name already in the morning. That woke up some peoples eyes down here in my county as she wasn't the only one who went to vote only to find out someone else had voted in their place.
    Mornin Pero. I also thought another problem area was with Colleges and Kids registering to vote there and voting back in their home state. Which wasn't there a list out on that?

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Well, you don't have to be a citizen in order to have a college ID, right?

    But I agree with previous posters that if valid voter IDs are required for voting, they should be provided free of charge (unlike driving a car or attending a college, voting is a constitutional right of every citizen). Which leads to the question of cost-effectiveness. Is there really enough fraud going on to justify the expense? Which we will not really know until we institute a solid system of verification. Catch-22.

    I'm not quite sure I buy the whole "cost" argument against Voter ID's.

    Every state in the union already has the infrastructure in place to handle State ID's through their DMV. We're not talking creating a new system because one is already in place. Check you DMV website and you will find that the issue the various types of Drivers Licenses, but they also issue non-driver ID's.

    Voter ID's should be "free" (there is no such thing as "free", but at no cost to the voter) as long as the ID is for (a) voting only, (b) the individual is below the poverty line, and (c) there is no other need for a fee based ID. For example if you are getting a Drivers License to drive there is a fee - since you would then have a Drivers License you don't qualify for a second "free" State ID.


    The idea that you shouldn't have to prove eligibility to vote (as in Citizenship, age, residency, etc.) at the time of registration and who you are at the time of casting a ballot seems like common sense to me.

    I would even (if I were setting the standards for the cards) have a filed "Vote = Yes" or "Vote = No", there are valid reasons that an alien could be legal and not be eligible to vote. That should be indicated on the ID. (Of course illegal aliens shouldn't be getting a state issued legal ID but that is a topic for another thread.)



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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Pero. I also thought another problem area was with Colleges and Kids registering to vote there and voting back in their home state. Which wasn't there a list out on that?
    I do not think the list was on double voting as you stated. I think the problem was the student had a home of record in other states. Then registered in the state they were going to college in. They did this in order to vote and were not really legal residents of the state they were going to college in. There was a big whoopie do over it with most democrats saying they were being disinfranchised. But all they had to do was request an absentee ballot from the state in which they legally resided. Either that with all the early voting, go back home and vote. No one was taking their vote away from them, they were just too lazy to drop a request for an absentee ballot in the mail.
    Early voting in Georgia. On the 20th of October this old Goldwater conservative voted against both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton by casting my vote for Gary Johnson. Neither Trump or Clinton belong within a million miles of the Oval Office.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not think the list was on double voting as you stated. I think the problem was the student had a home of record in other states. Then registered in the state they were going to college in. They did this in order to vote and were not really legal residents of the state they were going to college in. There was a big whoopie do over it with most democrats saying they were being disinfranchised. But all they had to do was request an absentee ballot from the state in which they legally resided. Either that with all the early voting, go back home and vote. No one was taking their vote away from them, they were just too lazy to drop a request for an absentee ballot in the mail.
    Yeah that was it.....not double voting. Out of residency.....like you said. It was an easy matter to deal with.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well it should.....considering the Jacksons live out of DC and have for years. Even with his OL lady being a Councilwoman.
    No it really shouldn't they meet the residency requirements even if you don't think they do. I'm pretty sure you could file complaints with the local magistrate if you were that concerned about their residency qualifications.
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