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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, some, perhaps even most where introduced before VRA was struck down.
    The most intrusive ones have been brought about post-VRA though. aka North Carolina
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    I voted other. I know how I feel about this but I just don't know what to think about it.

    We have no data on the impact of voter fraud because the laws are extremely lax or never enforced.

    I don't have a problem with requiring ID for voting. I don't have a problem with people being required to register to vote 60 days before the election. I would make one exception to that for someone that turns 18 during that 60 day window. I don't like early voting but I can see how that cuts down on long lines that could discourage those with health limitations from voting. I suppose early voting is fine. In North Carolina early voting last 14 days. Long lines were still a problem the Saturday before the election in my county.

    I worked the polls on election day for a local candidate. I seen many people complaining because they weren't allowed to vote on election day because they weren't registered to vote. These non-voters made accusations that they were being discriminated against because the Chief Judge at the poll was a Republican.* I think you should register to vote on your 18th birthday and show your driver's license when you vote. Some people are too irresponsible to get a driver's license or a government issued ID card. Some people are too irresponsible to register to vote until their cousin, neighbor or political activist twists their arm during the hype of the election season. Then they decide to register to vote on election day. I suppose these irresponsible people deserve to voice their opinion too. I know how I feel about this but I don't know what to think about it.

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    *The Chief Judge was a democrat. North Carolina law requires all Cheif Judges at the polls to be the same party as the governor which was a democrat on the day of the 2012 election.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    But WHY do they have ID issues? How difficult is it to get an ID? Certainly easier than to figure out who to vote for, or what some Proposal XYZ, version 13 on the ballot even means.


    How about college students who, in some states, are no longer allowed to use their college IDs to vote? Do you think that they carry their birth certificates in their back pocket? In some crazy places you need an ID to get an ID..

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They're an idiot? Or a liberal. Same thing, really.



    That's your off the wall opinion, which you are certainly entitled to, and which I will ignore.


    Most people would have a different answer and I believe that you know what that answer would be.




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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm curious to know how many people don't have a valid photo identification. How does one open a bank account without a valid I.D.? It can't be done. Cash a check at a currency exchange? At a bank? It can't be done. Sign up for welfare? God!! I hope! it can't be done. Buy a house? Can't be done. Open a charge account? Can't be done. Sign up for Social Security? Can't be done.

    Who are these people who don't have photo identification? And how are they living their lives?


    It probably depends on where you live.. I seldom have had to show an ID for any of those things.. The last time I had to show my ID was at the post office to pick up the mail, because there was a new postal employee there, and the time before that was to get on a plane..

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I have no issue with the laws themselves, but think they should only exist if there is a free government photo ID available in that state. However, if no such avenue exists then I believe it's unreasonable as it essentially demands payment for the ability to vote.
    Therein lies the problem. The moment voter ID get made a nationwide thing, they will be used as a bargaining chip by one party or the other - wait? Another tax on guns? Fine. We'll also raise voter ID fees. Wait? Another budget cut? Fine. We'll lower the fee for voter IDs - and so on and so forth with everything else. I think a far more reasonable solution is a birth certificate registry with images updated every 4 years. Citizens will simply give in their social security number, and the registry will show their birth certificate and picture. Easier, cheaper, and less bureaucratic than voter ID laws and the necessary paperwork that comes with them.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm curious to know how many people don't have a valid photo identification. How does one open a bank account without a valid I.D.? It can't be done. Cash a check at a currency exchange? At a bank? It can't be done. Sign up for welfare? God!! I hope! it can't be done. Buy a house? Can't be done. Open a charge account? Can't be done. Sign up for Social Security? Can't be done.

    Who are these people who don't have photo identification? And how are they living their lives?
    You work under the presumption that people without valid IDs have all those things. Walk around the nearest ghetto/trailer park and ask them if they have bank loans, mortgages, charge accounts and all those other things you are supposed to have with a valid ID.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    In some cultures, people believe that taking a photograph of your face steals your soul. Representatives of these cultures who happen to be American citizens will be severely disenfranchised.
    Then I hope the people in those cultures plan to never fly in an airplane, or travel outside of US borders. Seriously, unless one was raised in a South American rain forest, this is not a legitimate excuse for refusing to have a photo I.D.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Therein lies the problem. The moment voter ID get made a nationwide thing, they will be used as a bargaining chip by one party or the other - wait? Another tax on guns? Fine. We'll also raise voter ID fees. Wait? Another budget cut? Fine. We'll lower the fee for voter IDs - and so on and so forth with everything else. I think a far more reasonable solution is a birth certificate registry with images updated every 4 years. Citizens will simply give in their social security number, and the registry will show their birth certificate and picture. Easier, cheaper, and less bureaucratic than voter ID laws and the necessary paperwork that comes with them.
    Such a thing never occurred to me, but frankly it might be absolutely brilliant. I must give this some thought. Damn, the stuff I learn here...

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Such a thing never occurred to me, but frankly it might be absolutely brilliant. I must give this some thought. Damn, the stuff I learn here...
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