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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Fine, but the default is allowing the vote, say until the person is convicted of voter fraud. Why would you want to default to be buring the vote? I think I brought up finderprinting them witout ID a long time ago, great idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sure as long as your thumbprint is taken when you register and if you have no ID, you get printed and a provisional ballot that does not count unless the computer says your thumbprint matches. Errors go in favor of burning your ballot.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I do not understand why AMericans cannot obtain any of these:

    Identity Cards

    Driver's Licence
    Health Card
    Canadian Passport
    Certificate of Canadian Citizenship (Citizenship Card)
    Birth Certificate
    Certificate of Indian Status (Status Card)
    Social Insurance Number Card
    Old Age Security Card
    Student ID Card
    Provincial/Territorial Identification Card
    Liquor Identification Card
    Hospital/Medical Clinic Card
    Credit/Debit Card
    Employee Card
    Public Transportation Card
    Library Card
    Canadian Forces Identity Card
    Veterans Affairs Canada Health Card
    Canadian Blood Services/Héma-Québec Card
    CNIB ID Card
    Firearm Possession and Acquisition Licence or Possession Only Licence
    Fishing, Trapping or Hunting Licence
    Outdoors or Wildlife Card/Licence
    Hospital bracelet worn by residents of long-term care facilities
    Parolee Identification Card

    Original documents
    (with name and address)

    Utility Bill (telephone, TV, public utilities commission, hydro, gas or water)
    Bank/Credit Card Statement
    Vehicle Ownership/Insurance
    Correspondence issued by a school, college or university
    Statement of Government Benefits (employment insurance, old age security, social assistance, disability support or child tax benefit)
    Attestation of Residence issued by the responsible authority of a First Nations band or reserve
    Government Cheque or Cheque Stub
    Pension Plan Statement of Benefits, Contributions or Participation
    Residential Lease/Mortgage Statement
    Income/Property Tax Assessment Notice
    Insurance Policy
    Letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee
    One of the following, issued by the responsible authority of a shelter, soup kitchen, student/senior residence, or long-term care facility: Attestation of Residence, Letter of Stay, Admission Form or Statement of Benefits

    Note: You need one form the identity card category and one form the original document category.

    Seriously how hard is it to get a library card? Though you can avoid all of this by having a health card or provincial ID which have photos.
    Unless a guardian is something different in Canada, someone with a guardian should not be allowed to vote because they have been deemed legally incompetent or are a minor.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well it's not that hard to get a passport honestly it isn't or to get some other form of I.D.. The list of I.D. accepted here to vote is a rather long list.
    It takes a certified copy of a birth certificate, unless you already have photo govt ID and are getting yet another one. I checked.

    I have a valid driver's license. But to get a passport, I would need to produce an original certified copy of my birth certificate. I have the original microfiche (which is ancient, at this point), but that won't do. To get a certified copy of my birth certificate from my birth state's records would take about $20 or so dollars and 3 to 4 months. I could get it faster by online application and payment, but that would cost $50. Even then, it would take maybe a month and cost about $50. I can pay that, but many poor people can't. If you've never been poor, that can be hard to believe or understand. There was a time that I had maybe $5 of expendable income per month after paying rent, minimal groceries (cans of green beans on sale), and used car note. Paying $50 would've been a daunting amount.

    Now, having to pay what to me would've been an exorbitant amount for something is one thing. But having to pay it in order to exercise my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO VOTE is another. If the state requires me to have a certified copy of my birth certificate, the state should pay for it. Otherwise, my right to vote has in effect been taken away.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Fine, but the default is allowing the vote, say until the person is convicted of voter fraud. Why would you want to default to be buring the vote? I think I brought up finderprinting them witout ID a long time ago, great idea.
    Because if it is not definitely them, the vote should not count. Don't want folks altering their thumbprints to cast a ballot. Bring you ID or your thumb or no vote. Besides, it will give the FBI a set of fingerprints with identities to compare against unsolved crimes so the democratic base goes to the pokie. It will "disenfranchise" even more people than an ID requirement would so it works even better.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Unless a guardian is something different in Canada, someone with a guardian should not be allowed to vote because they have been deemed legally incompetent or are a minor.
    Well a public guardian is basically a government lawyer to my understanding.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    I have never proposed allowing people who should not vote be allowed to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because if it is not definitely them, the vote should not count. Don't want folks altering their thumbprints to cast a ballot. Bring you ID or your thumb or no vote. Besides, it will give the FBI a set of fingerprints with identities to compare against unsolved crimes so the democratic base goes to the pokie. It will "disenfranchise" even more people than an ID requirement would so it works even better.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I have never proposed allowing people who should not vote be allowed to.
    I did not say you did make such a proposal. I err on the side of prove it or lose it.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, like I said both sides shouldn't be trying to prevent Citizens from voting. But you can see how it is played here in Chicago. Kinda like who has to run for Jesse Jackson juniors seat. Wherein it just can't be any one that's from the district.
    I don't see a problem with how it is played in Chicago. Its when people try to disenfranchise voters actively that bothers me.
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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nynaeve Meara View Post
    I don't see a problem with how it is played in Chicago. Its when people try to disenfranchise voters actively that bothers me.
    Well it should.....considering the Jacksons live out of DC and have for years. Even with his OL lady being a Councilwoman.

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    Re: Is requiring voter photo ID a type of disenfranchisement?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits

    Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits

    Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits

    "On May 6, 2008, 12 fraudulent voters, dressed as nuns, attempted to cast ballots in the presidential primary in Indiana.Luckilyof them were caught, stopped cold by Indiana's new voter photo ID law. The law had been found to be constitutional by Federal Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
    It turns out the nuns that Posner's ruling turned away were, in fact, nuns. All the sisters had photo driver's licenses, but they had expired (the licenses, not the nuns). The Sisters of the Holy Cross, had, mercifully, given up driving (they were pushing 90 years of age.)
    It was a cute story that ran nationwide. What wasn't so cute, and ran nowhere in the US press, was that 72,000 black voters were blocked at the polls by this Posner-blessed photo ID law."
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    In his newly released autobiography, the aging Posner, hearing the wings of mortality and the gavel of Judgment Day coming down, admits that he was stone cold wrong. Posner now concedes that that the voter ID rule was a Republican partisan ploy in intent and viciously racist in practice.
    Posner, seeking forgiveness, says it wasn't his fault. He wasn't "really given strong indications that requiring additional voter identification would actually disfranchise people [who are] entitled to vote.""

    Are these really Jim Crow laws?

    Is this a voter disenfranchisement scheme?

    Are these type laws partisan?

    Excepting graveyards voting for LBJ in the 1960s, has this been a problem?

    How many cases of voter fraud have been prosecuted in your neighborhood?

    Everyone should be required to present (at no cost to them) voter ID when they vote.
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