View Poll Results: Should US Navy and military do more about pirate attacks off Africa?

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Fix up a couple Q-ships and run them through there every couple months. Change the trim and paint so they don't get ID'd so easy.


    That'd cut into the pirates' fun quite a lot.


    Hell you don't NEED Navy ships to stop them in their little motorboats with their AKs and RPGs... a few .50 cal HMGs mounted near the rails, and a couple guys with some guts, will suffice.

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I didn't see an option for "Allow the civilian vessels to arm themselves with light weapons".


    That would be my answer.



    Some are already hiring mercenaries... erm, I mean private security consultants....

    Companies refuse to allow their crews to be armed to avoid legal entanglements and liabilities. In their view, they have no liability of crew are killed by pirates but could be liable if crew uses firearms. Therefore, since it costs nothing if crew are killed they don't care.

    If law changed - whether for ships or for store clerks - that companies are liable if their employees are in known potential armed danger situations and neither allow employees to defend themselves NOR provide armed security then this would end and crews would fight off pirates. Even small arms by crews on ships could easily fight off pirates in small boats being the side of a ship is a very high steel wall. It is the total defenselessness of ship crews that make them KNOWN easy targets.

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Companies refuse to allow their crews to be armed to avoid legal entanglements and liabilities. In their view, they have no liability of crew are killed by pirates but could be liable if crew uses firearms. Therefore, since it costs nothing if crew are killed they don't care.

    If law changed - whether for ships or for store clerks - that companies are liable if their employees are in known potential armed danger situations and neither allow employees to defend themselves NOR provide armed security then this would end and crews would fight off pirates. Even small arms by crews on ships could easily fight off pirates in small boats being the side of a ship is a very high steel wall. It is the total defenselessness of ship crews that make them KNOWN easy targets.

    Just like all cases where victims are disarmed by government mandate.

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Just like all cases where victims are disarmed by government mandate.
    Exactly. I think companies should be liable if they will not allow employees (or customers) the ability to defend themselves nor provide armed security.

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Companies refuse to allow their crews to be armed to avoid legal entanglements and liabilities. In their view, they have no liability of crew are killed by pirates but could be liable if crew uses firearms. Therefore, since it costs nothing if crew are killed they don't care.

    If law changed - whether for ships or for store clerks - that companies are liable if their employees are in known potential armed danger situations and neither allow employees to defend themselves NOR provide armed security then this would end and crews would fight off pirates. Even small arms by crews on ships could easily fight off pirates in small boats being the side of a ship is a very high steel wall. It is the total defenselessness of ship crews that make them KNOWN easy targets.
    I am currently in Afghanistan, doing some contract Intel type work............ UNARMED......... because my company cannot get insurance for us if we are armed.
    Sad that I can be (and am) armed every day when I am home in Florida, but I am naked out here....
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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Exactly. I think companies should be liable if they will not allow employees (or customers) the ability to defend themselves nor provide armed security.



    Damn straight. If you're going to force me to disarm, you should be liable for any harm that comes to me because you prevented me from effective self-defense, and failed to provide adequate substitute (ie private security).

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Wait...shipping companies are not liable if they knowingly send their ships into/through an area in which pirates are known to attack shipping, without providing protection or allowing their crews to defend themselves?

    What the **** kind of backasswards logic is that?

    Someone got paid off, if that's actually law.
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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    I've actually thought about seeing if my son was interested and applying together to one of these security firms that is providing armed guards for civilian vessels in pirate-infested waters. If the money is good.


    No qualms about shooting some pirates. Pretty sure it would show up in the "plus column" in Saint Peter's books.


    But then again, I ain't really a seafarin' man....

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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Pirates kidnap 2 US sailors off Nigerian coast

    Pirates kidnapped the captain and engineer, both U.S. citizens, from a U.S.-flagged oil supply ship off the coast of Nigeria, sources say.

    ABUJA/LONDON Pirates attacked an oil supply vessel off the Nigerian coast and kidnapped the captain and chief engineer, both U.S. citizens, American officials said on Thursday as the Nigerian military ordered its Navy to rescue the men.

    "We believe this was an act of piracy," U.S. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said, adding that U.S. officials were closely monitoring the situation and seeking more information.

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    There are hundreds of pirate attacks off the West and East African coast each year. Should the US Navy do more and devote more resources to preventing and responding to pirate attacks? Should the US military attack pirate bases of operation in Africa?
    I voted yes. But under current conditions, where do we get the boats to do it and the leadership that not only has the balls, but the ability to do it.
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    Re: Should US Navy do more concerning pirate attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am currently in Afghanistan, doing some contract Intel type work............ UNARMED......... because my company cannot get insurance for us if we are armed.
    Sad that I can be (and am) armed every day when I am home in Florida, but I am naked out here....
    That is outrageous and makes my point. Companies can expose their employees to defenseless violent danger and be totally immune, but are liable if employees are armed and defend themselves.

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