View Poll Results: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

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  • As soon as possible. There are many people that shouldn't be having kids.

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  • Within 50 years. We're not quite ready but we are almost there.

    2 10.53%
  • 51-200 years. Some people are so stupid that they think aborition is wrong.

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  • 201-1000 years. This is the most advanced dream of abortionist. It takes lots of time.

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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    All I merely said was that eugenics implicates nearly every group. I hadn't even started with a small number of middle to upper class African Americans (including their intellectual class) that had supported portions of the philosophy as well. Or the religious preachers, especially the protestant ones.
    You make a good point.

    The idea of eugenics is repugnant to most of us today, but it seems to me that we're going the other way, encouraging the less capable to reproduce via the welfare state.

    Eugenics dedicated to discouraging natural selection may not have such a good result.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You make a good point.

    The idea of eugenics is repugnant to most of us today, but it seems to me that we're going the other way, encouraging the less capable to reproduce via the welfare state.

    Eugenics dedicated to discouraging natural selection may not have such a good result.
    It's not entirely repugnant to the current era. It's still a debate going on today. It was only a number of months ago that you could discuss it with a certain number of disabilities being cured or minimized in the effort to improve the human condition.

    Doing more than one's fair share in encouraging or perhaps mandating certain reproductive rights tradeoffs for public assistance seems to be somewhat of a common sentiment among the population, even if policy makers won't adopt such notions.

    What is largely considered repugnant is forced, coerced sterilization. Then again, maybe not. Once more, individuals with certain disabilities seem to be more targeted for the procedure, and matters of consent for the procedure produce debate.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it was pretty high minded stuff back in the early 1900's... but like I said, Hitler kinda soured the world on it.
    That's one good thing the Nazi party did then.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's one good thing the Nazi party did then.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's hardly surprising that someone who posts such idiocies would confuse someone deciding to ignore your idiocy going forward as some kind of retreat - retreat from idiocy? - you're right, I'm guilty as charged.
    Your messages in this thread are common for you. You make some absolute moral declaration as a truism. Then refuse to debate the matter and just flame insults. What that means is that generally you retreated and surrendered, but are angry at the other person for making you do so.

    What is absurd in my opinion is your view that a woman's legal right to abortion is the same as a rapists right to procreate by rape - calling both the same right of "choice."

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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You cannot ignore the eugenics connections between social darwinism and lassez faire capitalism, promoted by proto-libertarians like William G. Sumner and others.
    A person can if they want to. A person hold two views doesn't not mean those two views then are philosophically linked.

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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A person can if they want to. A person hold two views doesn't not mean those two views then are philosophically linked.
    If there is a commonality among a great many (but certainly not all) individuals, and they find the connection between the two, as they did, then yes, it does mean they are philosophically linked for those individuals that accept both of those precepts.

    A libertarian can reject eugenics, and a eugenicist may reject libertarianism. Nevertheless, the two can and have met.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your messages in this thread are common for you. You make some absolute moral declaration as a truism. Then refuse to debate the matter and just flame insults. What that means is that generally you retreated and surrendered, but are angry at the other person for making you do so.

    What is absurd in my opinion is your view that a woman's legal right to abortion is the same as a rapists right to procreate by rape - calling both the same right of "choice."
    What's absurd, and highly hypocritical, is your view that a woman has complete control over her body and everything that goes into it or goes on inside it, without exception, but you believe, as you noted above, that certain people, males in the vast majority, whether mentally or physically handicapped or criminal, must have their bodies controlled by you or authorities with your view.

    I simply pointed out the idiocy of your hypocrisy - you chose to simply repeat it - I simply said that I had no interest in continuing to debate the idiocy - and you claimed I was retreating. What's not to understand? I didn't insult you or "flame" you - I called your post and conflicting views idiocy. You're free to characterize my views however you please.

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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Plato's authoritarianism compares oddly with your libertarian stances.
    I don't consider Plato to be all that authoritarian. He just recognized a "right to rule" - as I do.

    I can never be a "true" libertarian as long as the populace are untermensch.

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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't consider Plato to be all that authoritarian. He just recognized a "right to rule" - as I do.

    I can never be a "true" libertarian as long as the populace are untermensch.
    It's so cute when someone's philosophy centers around mistakenly and arrogantly assuming that they're better than everyone else. One more reason why most libertarians are just selfish.
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