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  • 51-200 years. Some people are so stupid that they think aborition is wrong.

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Thread: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    What theory do you have?
    That you're slightly paranoid and should stop reading propaganda.

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    Rand, Ayn. Philosophy: Who Needs It. New York. New American Library, 1982. Page 8
    Seriously. Don't take Ayn Rand that seriously. She was from a world that existed a century ago. She was an interesting, though not particularly talented, novelist who promoted herself as a philosopher. She made some interesting arguments, and that's nice, but she wasn't the philosopher that people try to make her out to be -- or that she tried to make herself out to be.

    This is exactly the kind of stuff I was suggesting you ought to put away.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    That you're slightly paranoid and should stop reading propaganda.



    Seriously. Don't take Ayn Rand that seriously. She was from a world that existed a century ago. She was an interesting, though not particularly talented, novelist who promoted herself as a philosopher. She made some interesting arguments, and that's nice, but she wasn't the philosopher that people try to make her out to be -- or that she tried to make herself out to be.

    This is exactly the kind of stuff I was suggesting you ought to put away.
    Oh, by the way, Ayn Rand was strongly in favor of abortion rights.

    Ayn Rand on Abortion
    Abortion —Ayn*Rand Lexicon
    FAQ - The Ayn Rand Institute

    Since we're quoting Rand:


    An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).

    Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?”
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Not really true. It was both embraced by the political left and the political right in the United States, but often for different reasons and to different degrees. There are many kinds of eugenics.
    Yes, it has. It is actually more of a libertarian vs authoritarian issue than a left vs right one.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it has. It is actually more of a libertarian vs authoritarian issue than a left vs right one.
    Yeah, but if you consider not just a matter of coercion being authoritarian and moral suasion or anything else being not authoritarian, you have to still implicate "libertarianism" by way of Herbert Spencer and others. Frankly, the tentacles of eugenics reach just about everywhere.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, but if you consider not just a matter of coercion being authoritarian and moral suasion or anything else being not authoritarian, you have to still implicate "libertarianism" by way of Herbert Spencer and others. Frankly, the tentacles of eugenics reach just about everywhere.
    Spencer's philosophy re "Social Darwinism":

    For many, the name of Herbert Spencer would be virtually synonymous with Social Darwinism, a social theory that applies the law of the survival of the fittest to society; humanitarian impulses had to be resisted as nothing should be allowed to interfere with nature's laws, including the social struggle for existence. Spencer desired the elimination of the unfit through their failure to reproduce, rather than coercion or state intervention to initiate their physical annihilation.[26]

    Spencer's association with Social Darwinism might have its origin in a specific interpretation of his support for competition. Whereas in biology the competition of various organisms can result in the death of a species or organism, the kind of competition Spencer advocated is closer to the one used by economists, where competing individuals or firms improve the well being of the rest of society. Spencer viewed private charity positively so long as it did not encourage the procreation of the unworthy, as he believed in voluntary association and informal care as opposed to using government machinery.[27]

    Focusing on the form as well as the content of Spencer's "Synthetic Philosophy", it has recently been identified as the paradigmatic case of "Social Darwinism", understood as a politically motivated metaphysic very different in both form and motivation from Darwinist science.[28]
    Sounds like he was in favor of just encouraging the "unfit" to cease to reproduce, rather than coercing them through the power of the state, i.e., forced abortion.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Spencer's philosophy re "Social Darwinism":



    Sounds like he was in favor of just encouraging the "unfit" to cease to reproduce, rather than coercing them through the power of the state, i.e., forced abortion.
    That is eugenics as well.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That is eugenics as well.
    But it is not forcing anything through the power of the state. It is, therefore, not inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. Forced abortions, forced anything, in fact, is.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But it is not forcing anything through the power of the state. It is, therefore, not inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. Forced abortions, forced anything, in fact, is.
    You cannot ignore the eugenics connections between social darwinism and lassez faire capitalism, promoted by proto-libertarians like William G. Sumner and others.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You cannot ignore the eugenics connections between social darwinism and lassez faire capitalism, promoted by proto-libertarians like William G. Sumner and others.
    That's so, which is one reason why libertarianism, like conservatism or liberalism breaks down when carried to extremes.
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    Re: When Should Mandatory Abortions be implemented in the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's so, which is one reason why libertarianism, like conservatism or liberalism breaks down when carried to extremes.
    All I merely said was that eugenics implicates nearly every group. I hadn't even started with a small number of middle to upper class African Americans (including their intellectual class) that had supported portions of the philosophy as well. Or the religious preachers, especially the protestant ones.
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