View Poll Results: Do you favor/oppose an amendment making Christianity the official religion of the US

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Thread: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which brings up an interesting question:

    Where's the line between having your religion inform your politics and writing religious laws?
    not sure you could "define" a line, its way to subjective but the obvious line is where you have no ability to separate the two. That would make for a horrible politician.
    For example my religion makes me feel many different ways about things but if i was a politician when it comes to decisions I answer to the constitution/people not my own personal morals.
    There are many things in religion that if allowed to leave the religious realm would infringe on many peoples rights and one must be able to realize that and understand it very clearly.

    But again? as far as a clear cut line i think thats impossible to define as the opposite is also true, there are things in religion that line up perfectly with peoples rights also.
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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    If the city of Dearborn, Michigan wished to declare Islam its official city religion, I would have no problem with that.
    But most Dearborn Arabs would - the majority of them are Christian, and have acute memory of the sectarian strife in their old countries (Lebanon, primarily). It is in large part our stridently secular system of government that enables people who "should be" at each others' throats live peacefully side by side.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "My book says so" is the only reason to support making that a law.
    If you have been elected to office you can use any excuse you want to use or you can use no excuse at all.

    "I feel like that is the best thing." is a sufficient reason for making a law.
    "A giant pink mushroom was squeezing my bladder which made me sneeze." is also a sufficient reason for making a law.
    "My book says so." is also a sufficient reason for making a law.

    There is a stupid notion that exist out there that lawmakers are prohibited from using sources that offends their opponent. This is completely idiotic. Elected officials are elected to make laws. If their laws become foolish or oppressive this can be remedied by the courts or the next election.

    You will be sorely disappointed if you expected elected officials to accept your "can'ts" and "not allowed to's". When people are elected they will always act in their best interest. Expect elected officials to act like humans because they are humans. Don't saddle yourself down with ridiculous expectations. Unmet expectations are the only cause of frustration and anger. Avoid the frustration. Quit believing that your political opponents must lose because you don't agree with their source(s) of inspiration.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not sure you could "define" a line, its way to subjective but the obvious line is where you have no ability to separate the two. That would make for a horrible politician.
    For example my religion makes me feel many different ways about things but if i was a politician when it comes to decisions I answer to the constitution/people not my own personal morals.
    There are many things in religion that if allowed to leave the religious realm would infringe on many peoples rights and one must be able to realize that and understand it very clearly.

    But again? as far as a clear cut line i think thats impossible to define as the opposite is also true, there are things in religion that line up perfectly with peoples rights also.
    Don't think you're absolute when it comes to rights, J. You have no problem infringing on the right to life and don't mind business owners religious rights being infringed if it benefits a group you support more.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    If you have been elected to office you can use any excuse you want to use or you can use no excuse at all.

    "I feel like that is the best thing." is a sufficient reason for making a law.
    "A giant pink mushroom was squeezing my bladder which made me sneeze." is also a sufficient reason for making a law.
    "My book says so." is also a sufficient reason for making a law.

    There is a stupid notion that exist out there that lawmakers are prohibited from using sources that offends their opponent. This is completely idiotic. Elected officials are elected to make laws. If their laws become foolish or oppressive this can be remedied by the courts or the next election.

    You will be sorely disappointed if you expected elected officials to accept your "can'ts" and "not allowed to's". When people are elected they will always act in their best interest. Expect elected officials to act like humans because they are humans. Don't saddle yourself down with ridiculous expectations. Unmet expectations are the only cause of frustration and anger. Avoid the frustration. Quit believing that your political opponents must lose because you don't agree with their source(s) of inspiration.

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

    It would seem to me that the founding fathers specifically wanted to avoid making laws based solely in religion. Because pushing my religion onto somebody else with the force of law is a violation of their rights.

    You're right: Laws that are "oppressive" sometimes have a remedy that isn't based on an election: the US constitution, and our court system.

    So no: Congress can't do whatever they want for whatever reason they want.

    As for disappointment and frustration, I feel like you're projecting a bit. I've been perfectly calm in this thread.
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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    I 100% support it for several reasons, the chief among those are:

    1. It would really PO the secular atheists

    2. Official tree and official flower are so last century. It would really class up the place.

    3. It would create new work and new jobs for printers of Constitutions.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    1.)Don't think you're absolute when it comes to rights, J.
    2.)You have no problem infringing on the right to life
    3.) don't mind business owners religious rights being infringed if it benefits a group you support more.
    1.) I dont but its what should be focused on and strived for at all costs and there are laws and rights to be followed.
    2.) false actually i do
    3.) not true either it has nothing to do with "Groups" I support more, it has to do with how rights work and my respect for that and people breaking the law. There were not rights infringed on of the business owners.
    See if the patrons we black or women, or Christians etc i would support the LAW in that case just like i do now. The law was broken and religion isn't an excuses for that in this case by any means.

    What would you have done in those cases? and would it be the same if the discrimination was against blacks, women or Christians? Do you want the law ignored/changed?

    Im a Christian and I have a freedom of the religion but my religious rights are confined by the religious realm and where others rights start.
    This is why i support and would fight for churches to always be allowed to discriminate which they always will be unless the constitution changes.

    But at no time would I support St Anthony hospital denying my friend visitation or medical decisions for his wife because he is jewish or got married by a singing Elvis or magistrate.
    At no time would i support Walmart kicking out by neighbors form the store simply because they were black
    at no time would i support my uncle kicking people out of his public access garage simply because they were Muslims

    and I myself would NEVER be dumb enough to open my own public business and break the law and illegally discriminate based on my own morals or bigoted views.
    The rules work for ME just like they do for EVERYONE, in the public realm i must play by public rules.
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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    But most Dearborn Arabs would - the majority of them are Christian, and have acute memory of the sectarian strife in their old countries (Lebanon, primarily). It is in large part our stridently secular system of government that enables people who "should be" at each others' throats live peacefully side by side.
    ...and I advise no religious system of government. The OP question is about official religion, which I likened to state song, and perhaps state bird, etc. A part of cultural identity, not a framework for law in a democracy.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As for disappointment and frustration, I feel like you're projecting a bit. I've been perfectly calm in this thread.
    I wasn't referring to this thread. I was referring to life in general. If you expect one thing and the opposite happens, this causes intense frustration. This applies to personal relationships more so than politics but it does still apply. It's better to align your expectations with reality as much as possible.

    It is an aggravating life when you believe, "She should do this. He should do that. They shouldn't do that. Once you realize that humans will behave inappropriately at times you can minimize your frustration. All 7 billion people on this earth are not going to study your list of shoulds and shouldn'ts. Even if they did, they may forget from time to time.


    The moral of the story. Sometimes people will do bad stuff. Sometimes people will do good stuff. Expect it.


    Yes, this includes politicians. Sometimes they do good stuff. Sometimes they do bad stuff.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    There should be no state religion or ideology, none.

    I am strongly strongly strongly against the state limiting religious freedom and the ability to vote for religious individuals on issues they feel strongly about. The opposite holds true for the secular. We shouldn't have any national state ideology or religion.
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