View Poll Results: Do you favor/oppose an amendment making Christianity the official religion of the US

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    if government had moral authority to could run our very life's.

    what to eat,drink, our speech, sleep with, our personal health, if or not we must practice a religious faith,....and on and on

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, you would be rationalizing long-standing programs or statutes on the basis of pure harm, rather than the morally-charged atmosphere which created it or sustained it. Moralsm does not somehow negate explanations of harm, but is rather connected to their rationale.
    What? Either something can be regulated due to harm imposed on another person (or society as a whole -- such as banning private nuclear arsenals), or it can't. Welfare, for example, is a way to clean up a lot of the problems society faced before welfare: crime, panhandling, sanitation catastrophes, etc. Public education is necessary to sustain a first world country. What is banning gay marriage necessary for? What real problems does it cause -- and I mean problems that don't require a belief in magic to explain.

    Edit. My 666th post was a minor bashing of fundi religion. Roofles.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Do you favor/oppose an amendment making Christianity the official religion of the US
    It is unconstitutional to even ask the question.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    It is unconstitutional to even ask the question.
    What? No, it's not.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What? No, it's not.
    "What?" Yes it is.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    "What?" Yes it is.
    No, it's not. People can talk about whatever nonsense they desire as it is there right to do. Which means they can ask any questions towards whatever subject that comes to mind, as once again, they have the right to do so. They can even propose any amendment they desire and be entirely in line with the Constitution.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    It is unconstitutional to even ask the question.
    Surely you are trying to be irritating and you don't really believe that.


    Article V
    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Which is exactly why "zero" is the tolerable level of mixing government and religion. If "Christianity" is our official religion, then what defines "Christianity". Once this is an issue of law, then it's an issue for lawyers to sort out. That's exactly what happened in Rome in 325. So then you'll have a mix of lawyers, politicians, special interest groups and priest arguing over what's "official" Christianity. And I guarantee you that will be step 2. They already do that in the churches. Once it's law, it just adds lawyers to the debate.
    Without looking it up my impression has always been that it was the bishops and theologians who defined Christianity in a series of conferences culminating in the Council of Nicaea and the Nicene Creed.

    I do not know if the church was immediately given authority to form its own judicial system to enforce religious orthodoxy, but as I implied, such a system was in effect in Roman Catholic lands during the Middle Ages. This parallel system had jurisdiction even over royalty, and there were three cases I know of where royalty was forced into humiliating submission (cf Canossa, Henry ?I of England, John of England). You description is as far as I know correct in the Eastern Orthodox areas, where I believe the Church was usually subject to lay authority. In Russia, for example, the Czars eventually became the official supreme Church leaders. However, the two differing experiences show that neither was inevitable.



    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    It's just a gigantically stupid idea, and would most likely end up being some kind of politically correct "Christianity" that becomes the official American Religion.
    I agree it is a stupid idea, regardless of how the details pan out.



    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Why fundies would even think about allowing that to happen would be beyond me if I hadn't already seen, time and time again, that they have an absolute and complete lack of foresight.
    Those Bible-thumping crackpots can't help it, it's just the way they are.

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    Re: Would you vote for Christianity to be the official religion of the United States?

    I prefer the 1st amendment, thank you very much. I think we should learn a lesson from the Middle East that religion and state do not result in good things.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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