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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What'd he say about those radioactive fish in California. No fishing along Northern Japan coast? In recognition of reality, I see more radioactive contamination in our future, not less, and it is all "for profit."
    Contamination is different than radiation. The fish are likely contaminated, and that would be very different than an increase in background radiation levels.
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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's OK. No law against being wrong. Any increase in background radioactivity will result in an increase in cancer. Probably way too complex to understand, eh?
    Not. Actually. True. (at least, not in any statistically meaningful sense) You're right, there isn't a law against being wrong!
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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Contamination is different than radiation. The fish are likely contaminated, and that would be very different than an increase in background radiation levels.
    You do know that the final containment, the concrete foundation, is breached at Fukushima. For certain in one reactor and possibly in the other two. This shows up because of strontium in the seawater and likely means a fission reactor is ongoing. If water stops cooling this mass, it does the "China Syndrome" so continually adding seawater to the lowest levels, where the molten core rests, and then trying to cleanse the seawater of accumulated radiation, and then store it on site. The breached foundation leaks to groundwater and then that leaches into the sea. This entire area is too hot to handle with humans. Overhead are over a thousand fuel rods in an Olympic swimming pool size storage pool and the supporting structure is in "iffy" condition due to the earthquake damage. These fuel rods could have been in "dry cask storage" except that it is cheaper to keep them in the pool. This area is also too hot to touch, so equipment is being manufactured to lift the fuel rods out one at a time. This is fraught with peril because debris can be seen atop the pool. Nobody has any plan to mitigate the molten core sitting on the foundations, because that is really hot stuff. I realize your are Navy and in the business, but don't let loyalty to career blind one to realities. You can't just bore under the molten core and catch it in a new containment device, because it must be constantly bathed with cooling water, in this case, seawater, that is salty and corrosive. That's the story on just one of the three reactors with core meltdowns.

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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You do know that the final containment, the concrete foundation, is breached at Fukushima. For certain in one reactor and possibly in the other two. This shows up because of strontium in the seawater and likely means a fission reactor is ongoing. If water stops cooling this mass, it does the "China Syndrome" so continually adding seawater to the lowest levels, where the molten core rests, and then trying to cleanse the seawater of accumulated radiation, and then store it on site. The breached foundation leaks to groundwater and then that leaches into the sea. This entire area is too hot to handle with humans. Overhead are over a thousand fuel rods in an Olympic swimming pool size storage pool and the supporting structure is in "iffy" condition due to the earthquake damage. These fuel rods could have been in "dry cask storage" except that it is cheaper to keep them in the pool. This area is also too hot to touch, so equipment is being manufactured to lift the fuel rods out one at a time. This is fraught with peril because debris can be seen atop the pool. Nobody has any plan to mitigate the molten core sitting on the foundations, because that is really hot stuff. I realize your are Navy and in the business, but don't let loyalty to career blind one to realities. You can't just bore under the molten core and catch it in a new containment device, because it must be constantly bathed with cooling water, in this case, seawater, that is salty and corrosive. That's the story on just one of the three reactors with core meltdowns.
    And you do realize that absolutely none of this has anything to do with increasing background radiation that would be significant enough to cause an increase in cancer rates?

    I'm not the one blinded here. You are fearmongering. Yes this situation is quite serious and needs to be worked on better, but it isn't nearly as "serious" as some are making it out to be because those people simply do not understand how radiation actually works.
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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Perhaps, but Japan is a relatively small place to have to deal with widespread contamination. I suspect the whole mainland will be contaminated by this before it is over.
    Contamination of the Pacific Ocean is what is likely to occur and eventually much of the West Coast.










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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Contamination of the Pacific Ocean is what is likely to occur and eventually much of the West Coast.
    I live on the east coast, so no big deal

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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Contamination of the Pacific Ocean is what is likely to occur and eventually much of the West Coast.
    And increasing every day.

    28 Signs That The West Coast Is Being Fried With Fukushima Radiation - | Intellihub News

    "Photo: Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center.
    Photo: Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center.

    The map on the left comes from the Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center. It shows that radiation levels at radiation monitoring stations all over the country are elevated. As you will notice, this is particularly true along the west coast of the United States.

    Every single day, 300 tons of radioactive water from Fukushima enters the Pacific Ocean. That means that the total amount of radioactive material released from Fukushima is constantly increasing, and it is steadily building up in our food chain."

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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Contamination of the Pacific Ocean is what is likely to occur and eventually much of the West Coast.
    And increasing every day.

    28 Signs That The West Coast Is Being Fried With Fukushima Radiation - | Intellihub News

    "Photo: Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center.
    Photo: Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center.

    The map on the left comes from the Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center. It shows that radiation levels at radiation monitoring stations all over the country are elevated. As you will notice, this is particularly true along the west coast of the United States.

    Every single day, 300 tons of radioactive water from Fukushima enters the Pacific Ocean. That means that the total amount of radioactive material released from Fukushima is constantly increasing, and it is steadily building up in our food chain."

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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    When has Japan asked for international help? That would be great news. The world will pay for any mistakes made in the cleanup and the world should be involved. Money should be no object, the radiation must be contained. The more radiation the more cancer deaths worldwide, not to mention the pollution of the Pacific.

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    Re: Considering the ongoing threats of more contamination, should they be re-opend?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you do realize that absolutely none of this has anything to do with increasing background radiation that would be significant enough to cause an increase in cancer rates?

    I'm not the one blinded here. You are fearmongering. Yes this situation is quite serious and needs to be worked on better, but it isn't nearly as "serious" as some are making it out to be because those people simply do not understand how radiation actually works.
    LOL So YOU know that there is no cancer risk from radioactive cesium. Were you also involved in this "test" in 1946? Maybe you even took this picture.


    http://boingboing.net/2013/03/20/ama...6-nuclear.html

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