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    Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    If Congress is tasked with funding the government, should it also be constitutionally responsible if they fail to do so?
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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    If Congress is tasked with funding the government, should it also be constitutionally responsible if they fail to do so?
    There was no Government Shutdown. We already have measures in place to protect essential government services from being closed. Only 17% of the Government was shutdown.

    The protections that you are pretending to support are already in place. That 17% of the government should already go away indefinitely. If they are non-essential then they are non-essential. In business you don't pay for non-essential items.

    Maybe there should be a constitutional amendment that requires the government to shutdown until the Senate votes on a budget. If that were the case our government would have shutdown on October 1, 2009 and still wouldn't be open.

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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    If Congress is tasked with funding the government, should it also be constitutionally responsible if they fail to do so?
    What would happen if they didn't under this amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    The protections that you are pretending to support are already in place. That 17% of the government should already go away indefinitely. If they are non-essential then they are non-essential. In business you don't pay for non-essential items.
    There are definitely cuts that need to be made, but just because these people were labeled non-essential in a short term shutdown doesn't mean they should be eliminated. Things like NASA and the National Parks and the Smithsonian shouldn't be permanently closed down. Best to look for cuts everywhere and not just in this area because non-essential in the shortrun does not mean non-essential forever.
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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    non-essential in the shortrun does not mean non-essential forever.
    Are you suggesting that politicians have been lying to us?

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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Are you suggesting that politicians have been lying to us?

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    Not about this. I think that's the message they were putting out there. The positions we could get by without for a short time were furloughed.
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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    In business you don't pay for non-essential items.
    That's not even remotely true. They're called "frills" and businesses pay for them all the time. Go to a Mexican restaurant. If they give you tortilla chips before your dinner for free, that is a non-essential item the business has paid for. Here is another example. Company X - sells product Y, company X gives away a stuffed animal with every purchase of product Y. That stuffed animal is a non-essential item the company has paid for in order to promote the sale of product Y. Again, non-essential items are paid for ALL the time by companies in order to promote their products and make their service/product more pleasant/noticeable/etc. You are simply wrong.
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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you run a business? Because in my business we call non-essential items we pay for "frills" and yes we pay for them ALL the time. I'm guessing I just work for a bigger business than you do.
    The Federal Government has spent more money that it has taken in for 55 out of the last 60 years. I don't think they need to be spending money on frills.

    I will admit though. You got me. Everybody spends money on extras from time to time.

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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    The Federal Government has spent more money that it has taken in for 55 out of the last 60 years. I don't think they need to be spending money on frills.

    I will admit though. You got me. Everybody spends money on extras from time to time.

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    Whether they should or shouldn't isn't what I wanted to address. I just wanted to make sure that as far as businesses go, they certainly do spend on non-essential stuff quite often.
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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Whether they should or shouldn't isn't what I wanted to address. I just wanted to make sure that as far as businesses go, they certainly do spend on non-essential stuff quite often.
    I agree.

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    Re: Should There Be A Constitutional Amendment Forbidding a Shutdown?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    If Congress is tasked with funding the government, should it also be constitutionally responsible if they fail to do so?
    I voted no.If anything there should be a constitutional amendment to drastically cut spending to pay off and eliminate our debt and afterwards enact PAYGO with a rainy day budget for national emergencies such as natural disasters and when another country declares war on US(not when we declare war on another country).
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