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Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

What is the future of the Republican Party?

  • The Tea Party and the GOP will officially become seperate.

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If by "Liberal" you mean the kind of American socialist/social democratic political philosophy that permeates the Democratic Party, it is diametrically opposite to Libertarianism (classical liberalism). Whenever Liberals appear to pursue limited-government, personal freedom-oriented policies, their motivations and reasoning is very different (usually, just chasing one or the other group of voters).

By "Liberal" I mean ALL people who cannot figure out that Right and Wrong are Universal, Unmoving, and Unchanging ideals which do not have exceptions or grey areas. By "Liberal" I mean ALL people who cannot accept that Morality, Values and Principles ARE the guiding and defining concepts of life.... Not fun, enjoyment, happiness, or anything of the sort.
By "Liberal" I mean ALL people who cannot accept that what one SHOULD do is infinitely more important than what one WANTS to do.

As for "real conservatives", they should be reminded that America was founded on the classical liberal, "libertarian" principles; all too often they are trying to "conserve" what amounts to betrayal of those principles.

My basis for and definition of Conservatism goes back to long before this continent was even a blip on the mythical radar of the Norse people, nevermind any anglo-protestant incursion from southern Europe.
 
For our right leaning members/conservatives/Republicans on DP, what do you think is the future of the GOP? I tried to give some reasonable answers, but if you think something else will happen, please select other and explain.

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By "Liberal" I mean ALL people who cannot figure out that Right and Wrong are Universal, Unmoving, and Unchanging ideals which do not have exceptions or grey areas. By "Liberal" I mean ALL people who cannot accept that Morality, Values and Principles ARE the guiding and defining concepts of life.... .

Then what on Earth do you have against libertarians? Most of us fully subscribe to the notion of objective morality, with freedom of choice being its cornerstone.

My basis for and definition of Conservatism goes back to long before this continent was even a blip on the mythical radar of the Norse people, nevermind any anglo-protestant incursion from southern Europe.

I see: a political philosophy of theocratic tyranny based on the Mosaic law. To each his own, I guess. But your outright rejection of the Jeffersonian credo is most refreshing.
 
Then what on Earth do you have against libertarians? Most of us fully subscribe to the notion of objective morality, with freedom of choice being its cornerstone.

I'm talking about the ideal that there is no "objective" morality. There is one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable. Likewise, I do not believe that freedom of choice is a great idea. POSSIBLY, within certain cultural limitations which are strictly enforced, but definitely not in a general context.

I see: a political philosophy of theocratic tyranny based on the Mosaic law. To each his own, I guess. But your outright rejection of the Jeffersonian credo is most refreshing.

Not Mosaic Law. Something that comes even before that, especially for those of us who are not religious. Morality superceedes Religion because its basis is not in a particular dietical system but in the innate nature of humanity itself.
 
O and the left do not govern by the rule of law,,they break the Law to get what they want. O broke the law every time he changed the ACA,,,and he has done it several times with all the exemptions , "He has broken the very Law he stands on!, several times!

If the Law is broken without any punitive action to reverse it,,,has the system of Democracy not been perverted? Yes! The Grand Lady has been over weighted to one side,,,,,The rule of Law has been negated!

When the power balance is swayed so far to one side,,,expect an uprising. That uprising is the Tea Party. The Tea Party is the Balance against the Secular Socialist agenda!

Aside from this one being somewhat laughable, what I find peculiar is the lone inclusion of irreligious or anti-religious sentiment here. Well, that along with the suggestion that the Tea Party is in its essence God-fearing, despite many attempts to also suggest it is almost entirely driven by fiscal and governmental reform.
 
My basis for and definition of Conservatism goes back to long before this continent was even a blip on the mythical radar of the Norse people, nevermind any anglo-protestant incursion from southern Europe.

No, on that scale your conservatism is very liberal. One cannot be an ardent Jacksonian and still proclaim with any amount of sincerity that they truly stand for an pre-North American conservatism.
 
I'm talking about the ideal that there is no "objective" morality. There is one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable.

I agree, one hundred percent. There is "one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable" - and the freedom of choice is its foundation. Understood, independently, by the Greeks, the Jews, the Indians and the Chinese at least around 500 BC. The Golden Rule. "Do not do onto others as you do not wish to be done onto yourself". Coercion and fraud are immoral. "All the rest is commentaries", as Rabbi Hillel said.

Morality superceedes Religion because its basis is not in a particular dietical system but in the innate nature of humanity itself.

Exactly. The freedom of choice is what makes us human. And a life lived as a slave or an automation is not worth living. It is not even YOUR life, if you have no freedom of choice.

I am really confused. What, once again, is your problem with the libertarian philosophy?
 
lol, Tigger is going to be angry about American politics for the rest of his life.
 
I agree, one hundred percent. There is "one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable" - and the freedom of choice is its foundation. Understood, independently, by the Greeks, the Jews, the Indians and the Chinese at least around 500 BC. The Golden Rule. "Do not do onto others as you do not wish to be done onto yourself". Coercion and fraud are immoral. "All the rest is commentaries", as Rabbi Hillel said.

I must completely and totally disagree. The freedom of choice is the antithesis of the cut and dried morality of the world. The Golden Rule is and has always been a farce.

Exactly. The freedom of choice is what makes us human. And a life lived as a slave or an automation is not worth living. It is not even YOUR life, if you have no freedom of choice.

No, the ability to understand Right from Wrong and to make the proper decision each and every time is what makes us Human. A life lived outside of the one path of Morality is worth nothing. Then again, I must note that my view of what we are here for in the first place is probably totally different than yours, so that probably makes a major difference in how we see things.

I am really confused. What, once again, is your problem with the libertarian philosophy?

Hopefully what's above should have cleared it up now.
 
Tigger thinks he knows what's right and wrong and damned if everyone isn't gonna follow him. If they don't want to, he'll use violence.















lol, no one is scared of you.
 
I must completely and totally disagree. The freedom of choice is the antithesis of the cut and dried morality of the world. The Golden Rule is and has always been a farce.

Good. Clarity is always good. Whatever you define as "conservatism" is totally and absolutely incompatible with any version of libertarianism (or, for that matter, Christianity, Buddhism, humanism, etc) that I am familiar with.
 
Good. Clarity is always good. Whatever you define as "conservatism" is totally and absolutely incompatible with any version of libertarianism (or, for that matter, Christianity, Buddhism, humanism, etc) that I am familiar with.

In that you would be 100% correct. That's mostly because what I define as Conservatism isn't about people. It's about Principles and Ideals. It's about maintaining Order in Society as a means to ensure things continue to operate properly over time.
 
It's about maintaining Order in Society as a means to ensure things continue to operate properly over time.

Gotcha.

Your only two problems are: Wrong place, wrong time.

You would fit perfectly there - but that world is gone (thank goodness):

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Gotcha. Your only two problems are: Wrong place, wrong time. You would fit perfectly there - but that world is gone (thank goodness)

Similar concept, but not quite the same thing. In that atmosphere the Government controls everything; whereas in the system that I would espouse, the Government is simply there to lay out the proper limitations on society and the individuals therein and to remove those individuals and ideas which cannot or will not exist within those limits. Inside those limits individuals would be free to make their own choices and live their own lives.
 
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