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  • The Tea Party and the GOP will officially become seperate.

    1 3.70%
  • The GOP will remain as one, but be plauged by infighting.

    16 59.26%
  • The Tea Party will eclipse the GOP and become the norm

    2 7.41%
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    5 18.52%
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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram View Post
    O and the left do not govern by the rule of law,,they break the Law to get what they want. O broke the law every time he changed the ACA,,,and he has done it several times with all the exemptions , "He has broken the very Law he stands on!, several times!

    If the Law is broken without any punitive action to reverse it,,,has the system of Democracy not been perverted? Yes! The Grand Lady has been over weighted to one side,,,,,The rule of Law has been negated!

    When the power balance is swayed so far to one side,,,expect an uprising. That uprising is the Tea Party. The Tea Party is the Balance against the Secular Socialist agenda!
    Aside from this one being somewhat laughable, what I find peculiar is the lone inclusion of irreligious or anti-religious sentiment here. Well, that along with the suggestion that the Tea Party is in its essence God-fearing, despite many attempts to also suggest it is almost entirely driven by fiscal and governmental reform.
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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    My basis for and definition of Conservatism goes back to long before this continent was even a blip on the mythical radar of the Norse people, nevermind any anglo-protestant incursion from southern Europe.
    No, on that scale your conservatism is very liberal. One cannot be an ardent Jacksonian and still proclaim with any amount of sincerity that they truly stand for an pre-North American conservatism.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm talking about the ideal that there is no "objective" morality. There is one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable.
    I agree, one hundred percent. There is "one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable" - and the freedom of choice is its foundation. Understood, independently, by the Greeks, the Jews, the Indians and the Chinese at least around 500 BC. The Golden Rule. "Do not do onto others as you do not wish to be done onto yourself". Coercion and fraud are immoral. "All the rest is commentaries", as Rabbi Hillel said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Morality superceedes Religion because its basis is not in a particular dietical system but in the innate nature of humanity itself.
    Exactly. The freedom of choice is what makes us human. And a life lived as a slave or an automation is not worth living. It is not even YOUR life, if you have no freedom of choice.

    I am really confused. What, once again, is your problem with the libertarian philosophy?

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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    lol, Tigger is going to be angry about American politics for the rest of his life.
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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I agree, one hundred percent. There is "one, cut and dried morality which is not changeable or avoidable" - and the freedom of choice is its foundation. Understood, independently, by the Greeks, the Jews, the Indians and the Chinese at least around 500 BC. The Golden Rule. "Do not do onto others as you do not wish to be done onto yourself". Coercion and fraud are immoral. "All the rest is commentaries", as Rabbi Hillel said.
    I must completely and totally disagree. The freedom of choice is the antithesis of the cut and dried morality of the world. The Golden Rule is and has always been a farce.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Exactly. The freedom of choice is what makes us human. And a life lived as a slave or an automation is not worth living. It is not even YOUR life, if you have no freedom of choice.
    No, the ability to understand Right from Wrong and to make the proper decision each and every time is what makes us Human. A life lived outside of the one path of Morality is worth nothing. Then again, I must note that my view of what we are here for in the first place is probably totally different than yours, so that probably makes a major difference in how we see things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I am really confused. What, once again, is your problem with the libertarian philosophy?
    Hopefully what's above should have cleared it up now.

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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Tigger thinks he knows what's right and wrong and damned if everyone isn't gonna follow him. If they don't want to, he'll use violence.















    lol, no one is scared of you.
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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I must completely and totally disagree. The freedom of choice is the antithesis of the cut and dried morality of the world. The Golden Rule is and has always been a farce.
    Good. Clarity is always good. Whatever you define as "conservatism" is totally and absolutely incompatible with any version of libertarianism (or, for that matter, Christianity, Buddhism, humanism, etc) that I am familiar with.

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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Good. Clarity is always good. Whatever you define as "conservatism" is totally and absolutely incompatible with any version of libertarianism (or, for that matter, Christianity, Buddhism, humanism, etc) that I am familiar with.
    In that you would be 100% correct. That's mostly because what I define as Conservatism isn't about people. It's about Principles and Ideals. It's about maintaining Order in Society as a means to ensure things continue to operate properly over time.

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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's about maintaining Order in Society as a means to ensure things continue to operate properly over time.
    Gotcha.

    Your only two problems are: Wrong place, wrong time.

    You would fit perfectly there - but that world is gone (thank goodness):

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    Re: Right Wingers-What is the future of the Republican Party?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Gotcha. Your only two problems are: Wrong place, wrong time. You would fit perfectly there - but that world is gone (thank goodness)
    Similar concept, but not quite the same thing. In that atmosphere the Government controls everything; whereas in the system that I would espouse, the Government is simply there to lay out the proper limitations on society and the individuals therein and to remove those individuals and ideas which cannot or will not exist within those limits. Inside those limits individuals would be free to make their own choices and live their own lives.

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