What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

Sorry, not enough information to pick any of the above. As one who has driven several times at 170 MPH+, I can tell you that the condition of the road is extremely important. Minor rises at 60 MPH can throw a car at 170 MPH.

Personally, I am one who would say as long as the road was also made to go high speed, no basic rule was broken, hence, no ticket. Only if it was an autobahn quality road though.

Sill, since the officer could cross to his road, should the driver lose control, it can be a serious head on should he end up in the other road...

Maybe a ticket still should be issued...

MaggieD said:

170 mph is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. A blow-out? You're toast. A serious mechanical failure? You're toast.

And so is anyone in your path. Reeeeeedickalos.

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These cars are designed to go that fast and have tires on them that make such speeds safe, as long as the road itself is safe for these speeds. I'm a firm believer in the basic rule, and so are some judges.

I have never seen a freeway here in the states that I would trust going over 130 MPH.

Carjosse said:

The closer to Munich you get the faster the cars are, I would love to take a top of the line Mercedes and see how fast I could truly go.

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250 kilometer/hour (145 MPH). That's it, unless you defeat the speed limiter.

Lord of Planar said:

These cars are designed to go that fast and have tires on them that make such speeds safe, as long as the road itself is safe for these speeds. I'm a firm believer in the basic rule, and so are some judges.

I have never seen a freeway here in the states that I would trust going over 130 MPH.

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Yea I'm for the basic rules too most of the time, but once in awhile you hit a stretch of road and no one is around and you gotta let it rip. I have a reputation for going a bit fast. People tend to want to use the imaginary brake on the passenger side. My spouse has been known at times to hug the dash board and cry out "Sweet Jesus". One time driving my father home, he got out of the car and dropped to his knees and kissed the earth. To drive an honest to goodness race car is on my bucket list. Cheers!

Lord of Planar said:

250 kilometer/hour (145 MPH). That's it, unless you defeat the speed limiter.

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The BMW (528 M) I owned was the same way. BMW has the same limit on most if not all their models also.

Most American cars are limited below that, unless you get the top of the line model that doesn't have the restrictions. But then, most American cars with auto transmissions wouldn't hold together even at their governed limits for very long.

Lord of Planar said:

These cars are designed to go that fast and have tires on them that make such speeds safe, as long as the road itself is safe for these speeds. I'm a firm believer in the basic rule, and so are some judges.

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the problem here is that someone still needs to drive it, and a certain level of skill is required when going that fast

Lord of Planar said:

These cars are designed to go that fast and have tires on them that make such speeds safe, as long as the road itself is safe for these speeds. I'm a firm believer in the basic rule, and so are some judges.

I have never seen a freeway here in the states that I would trust going over 130 MPH.

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I think what people may forget is that the other guy is in no way prepared to judge the speed of a car traveling 170 mph. He's had no experience that can help him relate to that. When "the other guy" is lane drifting/merging/changing lanes? He's likely to be toast. And so is the 170 mph driver.

DVSentinel said:

The BMW (528 M) I owned was the same way. BMW has the same limit on most if not all their models also.

Most American cars are limited below that, unless you get the top of the line model that doesn't have the restrictions. But then, most American cars with auto transmissions wouldn't hold together even at their governed limits for very long.

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I've heard American started that a while ago, my ex claims his Subura went into a stall caused by the governor crossing the southern edge of Wyoming. I always buy sticks, standards, are they exempt or do I just have such an old car.... 2001 Mazda.

Hiram said:

Yep! Lots of points off the DL with that one for sure! Plussssss when the Judge get's done,,,Insurance will be much higher,,bad deal all around for the heavy foot.

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Some points just need to stay there. JMHO.

year2late said:

Because they got lucky.

The gal who hit us at high speed didn't cause a fatality because I did not slam on the brakes. I told the officer that I think I tried, but the impact moved my foot away from the pedal. He said it was a natural, but harmful response. If I had, my son and I would have been in a major spin into oncoming traffic on a five lane major freeway. Read DEAD.

The officer was scratching his head in awe that there were no fatalities.

I probably should not personalize it, but it is hard not to. It is a privilege to drive, not a right. You give passes for minor infractions, driving over 100 is far from minor.

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"Driving is a privilege, not a right," is drilled into people as youth. It is a nonsensical slogans and slogans don't define what is right or wrong.

Summerwind said:

I've heard American started that a while ago, my ex claims his Subura went into a stall caused by the governor crossing the southern edge of Wyoming. I always buy sticks, standards, are they exempt or do I just have such an old car.... 2001 Mazda.

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Don't know on Japanese cars. Never had one do it, but then the only ones that I have had up to high enough speeds was a MRII Turbo and a Honda Prelude. Both manual and both sports cars. Also the only time I have ever owned a Japanese make was when I was stationed on Okinawa, not many places where you can get high enough to check it out.

On American cars that I know of, type of trans doesn't matter. Most GMs require you to get the upgraded suspensions and tires also. My Z-28 doesn't have it, but then, it is a Z-28 with top of line, for stock, suspensions system and tires and is a manual. It can go above speedometer reading but available torque limits it to around 4200 rpms in 5th gear (approx 155) (prior to exhaust upgrade). When I looked at newer ones, suspension/tire options not trans options governed it. My 06 Monte Carlo SS with the V-8 and an auto didn't have it. Or if it did, it was set above 145.

HonestJoe said:

So you're basically saying it's OK to break the law as long as you think it's not dangerous to anyone else?

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Generally, since I believe in personal freedom, I do NOT think endangering yourself should be against the law. Under the theory that it should be? Basically everything but saying inside a padded cubical, eating vitamin enriched tofu and drinking sterilized water should be criminal.

The CORE of freedom should be that you can do any damn thing you want provided it does not substantively endanger others.

Should drivers have to take a test every 4 years when they re-up on their driver's license??
Should shooters have to prove they know WTF they are doing with their guns every 4, 3, 2, or one year, TBA??
Should the State stop giving paper/pencil tests when you re-up with speeding tickets in that cyle ?

Lord of Planar said:

These cars are designed to go that fast and have tires on them that make such speeds safe, as long as the road itself is safe for these speeds. I'm a firm believer in the basic rule, and so are some judges.

I have never seen a freeway here in the states that I would trust going over 130 MPH.

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130 no problem, know some, except for the problem of traffic. Never would do it at night, even in Germany, at those kinds of speeds, even a rabbit running out can take you out. Too many critters on the roads at night.

joko104 said:

"Driving is a privilege, not a right," is drilled into people as youth. It is a nonsensical slogans and slogans don't define what is right or wrong.

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Nonsensical? Why?

Makes perfect sense. You play by the rules, you keep your privilege.

If there are long stretches of road that people want to fight for increased speed limits, go for it.

joko104 said:

Generally, since I believe in personal freedom, I do NOT think endangering yourself should be against the law.

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Even if it damages the financial stability of an Insurance company..

The CORE of freedom should be that you can do any damn thing you want provided it does not substantively endanger others.

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Does that include any illicit drug or illicit consensual act ?

DVSentinel said:

Don't know on Japanese cars. Never had one do it, but then the only ones that I have had up to high enough speeds was a MRII Turbo and a Honda Prelude. Both manual and both sports cars. Also the only time I have ever owned a Japanese make was when I was stationed on Okinawa, not many places where you can get high enough to check it out.

On American cars that I know of, type of trans doesn't matter. Most GMs require you to get the upgraded suspensions and tires also. My Z-28 doesn't have it, but then, it is a Z-28 with top of line, for stock, suspensions system and tires and is a manual. It can go above speedometer reading but available torque limits it to around 4200 rpms in 5th gear (approx 155) (prior to exhaust upgrade). When I looked at newer ones, suspension/tire options not trans options governed it. My 06 Monte Carlo SS with the V-8 and an auto didn't have it. Or if it did, it was set above 145.

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So it sounds kind of hit and miss and I likely won't hit one anyway as I rarely drive over 85mph. My ex's kicked of at 90mph. Scared the crap out him as he had no idea that it would happen the first time.
The sort of fun part of that story is that about two weeks later I was running the same length southern edge of WY, at about 2-3am, I like driving long distances at night. I was the only one on the road for miles except apparently a cop. I was going the speed limit. So he pulls up next to me and takes off. Fine. Slows down gets next to me again, flashes his lights and takes off. Fine. Does it again, so now I'm thinking there's an emergency. This is before cell phones, and I was on my way to get my kids from my ex. Therefore after the third time I take off and follow this cop whose lights are now out and so I'm following and following, we're going about 95mph and about 300miles later he zips up an off ramp ahead of me, goes to the overpass, flashes his lights twice, and heads back the way he came.
Most bizarre considering what I had been told over and over about WY cops.

I had a Challenger SRT8 back in 09. I spent extra money on it to make it go faster. I was pulled over once for 143 in a 55. 4 lane rd with no cars on the road but me an him. I received a warning because I pulled over immediately. He asked to see the motor, I obliged.

joko104 said:

The CORE of freedom should be that you can do any damn thing you want provided it does not substantively endanger others.

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going 170 on a public road does

Dr. Chuckles said:

going 170 on a public road does

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cops speed excessively all the time while talking on their phones

Lord of Planar said:

250 kilometer/hour (145 MPH). That's it, unless you defeat the speed limiter.

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It's down to 145? Last I heard the greenies in the EU had it down to 155. Mercedes also has that limiter on USA imports too.

The '05 Renntech/AMG CL65 my wife got me is of the '05-06 65 series, which arguably is the highest top speed Mercedes ever made. Then, it was computer limited to 186 mph and the computer also reduced horsepower and torque by 15%. The price - then and now - to eliminate Mercedes speed and power limiters is around $3500 and MOST who buy Mercedes top-end cars pay it. A few also buy what it takes to take Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc motors back UP to the power they were built to have via companies such as Eurotech, Renntech, Classen, etc. For the early 65 series, it allows top speeds in the 220 mph range.

In the era of Jimmy Carter's "The energy crisis is REAL!!! It is NOW!!!", it became illegal to have speedometers in cars that showed more than 85 mph and most cars were computer limited to under 100 mph. This was the final nail in the coffins of American manufacturers and when imports captured and since have held the American market. So American manufacturers instead focused on pickup trucks and big SUVs, which are not high speed in general.

It was not until American manufacturers FINALLY started putting power back in their cars that they started to make a come-back. The horsepower wars of manufacturers are back on, getting VERY serious, and one result is sales are going up.

It is just bizarre that it was considered safe to drive a 1950s car 70 mph - when they had horrible brakes, dangerous tires, terrible suspensions and basically no safety in their design - and the same speed limit on open highways should apply to modern cars with ABS disc brakes, vast amounts of safety in design, air bags, computer designed and managed suspension and on and on. Driving across the Western desert limited to 70 mph is absurd. In all non-urban areas the speed limit should be raised to at least 85.

NIMBY said:

Even if it damages the financial stability of an Insurance company..

Does that include any illicit drug or illicit consensual act ?

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The financial stability of an Insurance company? :lamo Yes, reducing the number of tickets given would cost insurance companies money.

I can see exceptions, but there are few in terms of self endangerment.

Which is more self endangering? Driving 170 in a car built for 200 on an empty flat highway? Or rock climbing?

PirateMk1 said:

That's the point of a long lonely road, there is NOBODY. The only people your going to kill is yourself, and or the occasional cow. It would most likely literally be hours before your FUBAR circus was found. Speeding however fast is no reason to put anyone in jail. That's a waste of resources.

Pro driving tip. Don't ever hit a cow or any other animal that size straight on. Its the equivalent of a four legged wall. There is NO give.

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Anyone whose seen a car going highway speeds that hit a full sized hog fully understands.

Although rare, people have died hitting a deer - usually from an antler coming thru the windshield into the driver's or passenger's chest.

But people have been speared and died while big-game offshore fishing too.

JayDubya said:

Why are you threatening me because I disagree with you politically?

You know falling bullets can hurt people and damage property all over my neighborhood. Best case scenario, you're littering.


Meanwhile someone driving along a road not hitting anyone is not hurting anyone...

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Short of 50 cal, it has been proven that falling bullets don't hurt anyone. While shots out at an angle can, but a bullet shot straight up can not fall with enough speed to be significantly harmful.

I bet the same people that voted for giving a guy the full ticket are the same ones that drive in the left lane on an interstate doing the speed limit.