View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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Thread: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what resources are lost?
    I was speaking to the financial resources lost by prosecuting and imprisoning the reckless individual.

    The person who hit us at high speed was convicted of something like "reckless driving with proximate harm" . She took up some jail space for a bit and had at least 4 court appearances that I know of. Court time, arresting officer time, etc.

    TO me, the damage was not just a civil manner, her behavior was criminal. The court saw it that way as well.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I was speaking to the financial resources lost by prosecuting and imprisoning the reckless individual.

    The person who hit us at high speed was convicted of something like "reckless driving with proximate harm" . She took up some jail space for a bit and had at least 4 court appearances that I know of. Court time, arresting officer time, etc.

    TO me, the damage was not just a civil manner, her behavior was criminal. The court saw it that way as well.
    we put too many people in jail for offenses that do not need incarceration to prevent the behavior.

    fine the guy or suspend his license. or even forfeit the car if he continues. If that doesn't work then maybe jail. But not a first offense



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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we put too many people in jail for offenses that do not need incarceration to prevent the behavior.

    fine the guy or suspend his license. or even forfeit the car if he continues. If that doesn't work then maybe jail. But not a first offense
    Say some traffic crime results in death. Do we give everyone a freebie?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    Say some traffic crime results in death. Do we give everyone a freebie?
    of course not. but that is like talking about someone shooting a pistol in a public park and then saying what if he kills someone

    completely different issue



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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    Say some traffic crime results in death. Do we give everyone a freebie?
    We give them a day in Court.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course not. but that is like talking about someone shooting a pistol in a public park and then saying what if he kills someone

    completely different issue
    It is called Culpability!

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram View Post
    It is called Culpability!

    so you claim shooting a pistol into the ground is the same as shooting one into a person even if you weren't "INTENDING" to hit a person?

    or driving fast is the same as crashing into say a bus and killing 14 kids?



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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you claim shooting a pistol into the ground is the same as shooting one into a person even if you weren't "INTENDING" to hit a person?

    or driving fast is the same as crashing into say a bus and killing 14 kids?
    Circumstances prevail

    (1) “Purposely.” A person acts purposely with respect to his or her conduct or a result of his or her conduct when it is the person's conscious object to engage in conduct of that nature or to cause the result;

    (2) “Knowingly.” A person acts knowingly with respect to:

    (A) The person's conduct or the attendant circumstances when he or she is aware that his or her conduct is of that nature or that the attendant circumstances exist; or

    (B) A result of the person's conduct when he or she is aware that it is practically certain that his or her conduct will cause the result;

    (3) “Recklessly.”

    (A) A person acts recklessly with respect to attendant circumstances or a result of his or her conduct when the person consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the attendant circumstances exist or the result will occur.

    (B) The risk must be of a nature and degree that disregard of the risk constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the actor's situation; and

    (4) “Negligently.”

    (A) A person acts negligently with respect to attendant circumstances or a result of his or her conduct when the person should be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the attendant circumstances exist or the result will occur.

    (B) The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the actor's failure to perceive the risk involves a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the actor's situation considering the nature and purpose of the actor's conduct and the circumstances known to the actor.
    Last edited by Hiram; 10-20-13 at 02:00 AM.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram View Post
    Yes,,,,,you need proof?
    no, its stupid claim you made, I have been an attorney going on 30 years.

    the penalties are far different for reckless discharge of a firearm compared to recklessly shooting some one. driving drunk gets you 3 days in jail and a driving suspension-killing someone because you drove drunk gets you jail time



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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no, its stupid claim you made, I have been an attorney going on 30 years.

    the penalties are far different for reckless discharge of a firearm compared to recklessly shooting some one. driving drunk gets you 3 days in jail and a driving suspension-killing someone because you drove drunk gets you jail time
    Iffffffff Your an Attorney,,,why ask? Circumstances always prevail.

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