View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    I know it’s going to be tough for you to follow this, but try a bit harder than you have so far, OK?

    You said in reply #330: "My CL65, a relatively heavy car, will come to a stop from 70 in under 150 feet. From 170 in 1/3rd the distance you claim (distance I "claim" = 1381feet. 1/3 1381 = 460 feet).

    The 1381/460 feet does not include reaction distance. I will assume below that the under 150 feet does include reaction distance.

    The state of Florida suggests a reaction distance of 11 feet per 10mph speed. That would be 77 feet at 70mph and 187 feet at 170mph. See link: Florida Drivers Handbook

    77 x 3 = 231 feet = drunk driver reaction distance adjustment at 70mph.

    So driving drunk at 70mph You can stop your CL65 in about 380 feet (149 feet driving sober braking distance + 231 feet added reaction distance for drunkenness). Add a bit more for the drunkenness and call it 400 Feet.

    And driving sober at 170mph you can stop your CL65 in about 647 feet (187 feet reaction distance + 460 feet braking distance). Call it 650 feet.

    Ergo it takes you 250 feet more to come to a stop sober from 170mph than it does to come to a stop drunk from 70mph.




    Let’s quote the whole section of braking, shall we?
    (from link, emphasis added):

    I wonder what happens to that shimmy at 170mph. Reckon it just goes away, or something?




    Citation, please, from a neutral, objective source, and I would prefer test results for all kinds of driving conditions.




    99.99% of all cars on the road are not built to go anywhere near 170mph. Do you think there should be different speed limits for high-performance vehicles? Please keep in mind that at 170mph you are going to need a safety clearance of over two football fields distance, and at that speed most other drivers will have no idea you are anywhere around until you are right on top of them. Also, it won’t go over too well to suggest the speed demons get a whole lane to themselves, so don’t even try it.




    If no one would be endangered on a open road by a car doing 170mph then how come thousands of people get hurt every year in open road accidents where no one was driving half that fast, and weren’t texting or messing with the radio, either?




    130mph to 70mph was not the comparison I made. I guess I have to repeat the whole damn thing or you will be confused again. Read it carefully this time:

    (from reply #322): "In order to compare the hazards of DUI and driving 100mph over the speed limit it is necessary to imagine equal infraction rates and environments- in other words for every person driving home drunk at 30 in a 30 from the neighborhood bar there is one person driving home sober at 130. Please don't try to tell me you would feel safer with the sober guy doing 130."

    The exact comparison in question was a drunk driving through your local neighborhood at 30mph in a 30mph zone, or a sober driver driving through your neighborhood at 100mph over the speed limit = 130mph.




    Bad on the speed, good on the sobriety, now go ahead and sign up for that reading comprehension course.

    Won't go thru all of it. Comparing the safety of a DUI at 70 compared to someone going 170 in a car built for it who isn't drunk or on drugs is absurd. Braking distance is irrelevant to drunkenness or being stoned.

    The shimmy would likely go away at 170. The car has independent brake systems (not mentioned in the article) and that can cause a "shimmy" at lower speeds as there are dual ABS systems. I've never slammed on the brakes at 70 or 170, though.

    It would appear your reasoning is that the speed limit should be based upon the fastest any car on the road can travel with perfect safety. So then what? 30? 35?

    What do you think is the fastest speed everyone can safely ride a bicycle and how low a speed limit should be on that?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Won't go thru all of it. Comparing the safety of a DUI at 70 compared to someone going 170 in a car built for it who isn't drunk or on drugs is absurd. Braking distance is irrelevant to drunkenness or being stoned.

    The shimmy would likely go away at 170. The car has independent brake systems (not mentioned in the article) and that can cause a "shimmy" at lower speeds as there are dual ABS systems. I've never slammed on the brakes at 70 or 170, though.

    It would appear your reasoning is that the speed limit should be based upon the fastest any car on the road can travel with perfect safety. So then what? 30? 35?

    What do you think is the fastest speed everyone can safely ride a bicycle and how low a speed limit should be on that?
    I'm still not certain on the whole anti-lock break thing. It is probably a good thing for people who haven't really learned how to control regular brakes or who have a tendency to maybe panic. I know I certainly don't have the experience with not locking up the brakes. I've read a lot that says the older brakes are better actually for stopping, but then, that is experienced drivers who have the means to practice and do so on a regular basis.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I just sold a fixer upper you would have liked, a 68 Chrysler 300 rag top, fixed up they are beautiful, here is a google pic:

    Not my style.

    Here's my project.

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    Dang, forgot to edit the old plates, oh, well, their not mine and won't be on the car when done.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not my style.

    Here's my project.

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    Dang, forgot to edit the old plates, oh, well, their not mine and won't be on the car when done.
    I am sure it will be a nice car when done, just like the thousands of others out there.

    I have always been partial to very rare models. Chrysler wagons from the early '60s for example. I would love to have a '60 Edsel Wagon. 59 cars made. Hard to find parts for though.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I'm still not certain on the whole anti-lock break thing. It is probably a good thing for people who haven't really learned how to control regular brakes or who have a tendency to maybe panic. I know I certainly don't have the experience with not locking up the brakes. I've read a lot that says the older brakes are better actually for stopping, but then, that is experienced drivers who have the means to practice and do so on a regular basis.

    I'm still flip-flopping about adding them to my older projects.
    My opinion? Adding disc brakes if you have drums yes. Anti-lock brakes no. I've never heard of anyone even doing so. They are fairly sophisticated and my be chassis and weight specific.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    My opinion? Adding disc brakes if you have drums yes. Anti-lock brakes no. I've never heard of anyone even doing so. They are fairly sophisticated and my be chassis and weight specific.
    Adding anti lock brakes to a car that does not have them (as an option) would be horribly complicated and expensive. It would require a computer, sensors, brake modulators and I am sure many other things I have not mentioned. Meaning would be to expensive for anything but a full modification of a car using a modern one as a donor for nearly all its electronics and much of its mechanicals. Then as you mention, it would require a significant amount of calibration to ensure It worked well
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Adding anti lock brakes to a car that does not have them (as an option) would be horribly complicated and expensive. It would require a computer, sensors, brake modulators and I am sure many other things I have not mentioned. Meaning would be to expensive for anything but a full modification of a car using a modern one as a donor for nearly all its electronics and much of its mechanicals. Then as you mention, it would require a significant amount of calibration to ensure It worked well
    Got a ways to go before I get that far, but probably just go with 4 wheel discs. Single piston rear, 2 or 4 piston front. I am already estimating 30K to build it. ABS would just be unnecessary, probably, costs.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Got a ways to go before I get that far, but probably just go with 4 wheel discs. Single piston rear, 2 or 4 piston front. I am already estimating 30K to build it. ABS would just be unnecessary, probably, costs.
    What are you going to do with the car when it is done?

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