View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    I was never into being a boat captain...I've had the need for speed for as long as I can remember...and to that end, I like small, light cars. Whenever I finally "finish" my '76, I want to sell it, and get either a C5 zo6, or a C6 grandsport. Likely I'll end up getting the older C5...grand sports STM fetch a pretty penny. Supercharge the Z06, get it some proper rubber, do the auto power roll bar, instal a front splitter, invest in a coil over kit for it, get the guldstrand lemans fixed headlight kit, and call it a race car.

    One day, I'd like to sit behind the wheel of an ariol atom. Those HAVE to be the funnest things on four wheels.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I just sold a fixer upper you would have liked, a 68 Chrysler 300 rag top, fixed up they are beautiful, here is a google pic:

    May I ask what you got the the 300?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I was never into being a boat captain...I've had the need for speed for as long as I can remember...and to that end, I like small, light cars. Whenever I finally "finish" my '76, I want to sell it, and get either a C5 zo6, or a C6 grandsport. Likely I'll end up getting the older C5...grand sports STM fetch a pretty penny. Supercharge the Z06, get it some proper rubber, do the auto power roll bar, instal a front splitter, invest in a coil over kit for it, get the guldstrand lemans fixed headlight kit, and call it a race car.

    One day, I'd like to sit behind the wheel of an ariol atom. Those HAVE to be the funnest things on four wheels.
    I've sat in the C6, not enough leg room. Also, I can build a lot more horsepower/torque going back to per-emissions and adding modern components onto them. If I want what you describe, don't laugh now, I have two Fiero's that I can build up for that. Only OBD I emissions apply to them.

    You mentioned your front having to much down force at speed and cause a bit of wiggle in the rear. Does yours have the rear lip spoiler? If not, you might try adding one to equalize the down force. If so, maybe try a better designed after-market one.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    My daily driver is a c5 Corvette. It's designed to run at 180 . . . on a track. I barely hit 100 on VA Route 15 and was floating. However, on I-66 is was a lot better. The thing is that the public roads just aren't engineered for that.
    OK, we have a miscommunication. Floating to me is when the car loses weight to the road from speed. To you, it's the road not being flat enough for those speeds.

    Cars will "float" on a perfectly flat road. The shape acts somewhat like an aircraft wing. Cars designed for high speed compensate with a tail wing, air dam, and other shapes to act as a counter effect to the lift.

    This is also why in an earlier post, I mentioned I have never seen a stretch on a US freeway that I would go more than 130 MPH on. Our roads just aren't flat enough.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    OK, we have a miscommunication. Floating to me is when the car loses weight to the road from speed. To you, it's the road not being flat enough for those speeds.

    Cars will "float" on a perfectly flat road. The shape acts somewhat like an aircraft wing. Cars designed for high speed compensate with a tail wing, air dam, and other shapes to act as a counter effect to the lift.

    This is also why in an earlier post, I mentioned I have never seen a stretch on a US freeway that I would go more than 130 MPH on. Our roads just aren't flat enough.
    Only Germany has any land that is flat.

    However I had commented in detail earlier also how car shapes have the elements of an aircraft wing.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I've sat in the C6, not enough leg room.
    This is why I bought my 2000 Z28. I sold some stocks for something like $36k, and decided to busy a new car for the first time. Initially, I wasn't looking for a new one, but I was set on a US car with power. In the end, I settled for then Z28 for two reasons. Legroom front and rear, and the simplicity of the engine design. I loved the fact that the sputtered iron into the aluminum block rather than having wet or dry sleeves. I like the "forged everything" and traditional rocker arm rather than overhead valve and four valves. May seem odd to most, but 4 valves aren't needed past a certain diameter. Two smaller valves can have less airflow than a single larger one, just because of how fluid dynamics work.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    OK, we have a miscommunication. Floating to me is when the car loses weight to the road from speed. To you, it's the road not being flat enough for those speeds.

    Cars will "float" on a perfectly flat road. The shape acts somewhat like an aircraft wing. Cars designed for high speed compensate with a tail wing, air dam, and other shapes to act as a counter effect to the lift.

    This is also why in an earlier post, I mentioned I have never seen a stretch on a US freeway that I would go more than 130 MPH on. Our roads just aren't flat enough.
    Its not losing weight, its losing downforce and the suspension is unloading.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    This is why I bought my 2000 Z28. I sold some stocks for something like $36k, and decided to busy a new car for the first time. Initially, I wasn't looking for a new one, but I was set on a US car with power. In the end, I settled for then Z28 for two reasons. Legroom front and rear, and the simplicity of the engine design. I loved the fact that the sputtered iron into the aluminum block rather than having wet or dry sleeves. I like the "forged everything" and traditional rocker arm rather than overhead valve and four valves. May seem odd to most, but 4 valves aren't needed past a certain diameter. Two smaller valves can have less airflow than a single larger one, just because of how fluid dynamics work.
    2000 Z28, of which I bought a new one also, came with a LS1 and vettes of that year had LS3s. Virtually the same engine. I have yet to see any Grand Sports for anywhere near you can get a Z28 for. Kind of apples and oranges.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its not losing weight, its losing downforce and the suspension is unloading.
    Just another matter of terminology...

    It isn't losing mass would be even more correct. Saying weight, though vague in this manner, is not incorrect.

    Weight:
    a body's relative mass or the quantity of matter contained by it, giving rise to a downward force; the heaviness of a person or thing.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    SO... your complaint is that my car can only stop in only HALF the distance rather than ONE THIRD the distance you claimed?
    I know itís going to be tough for you to follow this, but try a bit harder than you have so far, OK?

    You said in reply #330: "My CL65, a relatively heavy car, will come to a stop from 70 in under 150 feet. From 170 in 1/3rd the distance you claim (distance I "claim" = 1381feet. 1/3 1381 = 460 feet).

    The 1381/460 feet does not include reaction distance. I will assume below that the under 150 feet does include reaction distance.

    The state of Florida suggests a reaction distance of 11 feet per 10mph speed. That would be 77 feet at 70mph and 187 feet at 170mph. See link: Florida Drivers Handbook

    77 x 3 = 231 feet = drunk driver reaction distance adjustment at 70mph.

    So driving drunk at 70mph You can stop your CL65 in about 380 feet (149 feet driving sober braking distance + 231 feet added reaction distance for drunkenness). Add a bit more for the drunkenness and call it 400 Feet.

    And driving sober at 170mph you can stop your CL65 in about 647 feet (187 feet reaction distance + 460 feet braking distance). Call it 650 feet.

    Ergo it takes you 250 feet more to come to a stop sober from 170mph than it does to come to a stop drunk from 70mph.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    Here's 127 feet at 60 mph for OEM tires. Mine actually are a bit wider and sticker. I think you said what, 234 feet from 70 and 10 miles from 170 or something like that.
    http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...benz_cl_65_amg
    Letís quote the whole section of braking, shall we?
    (from link, emphasis added):
    Quote Originally Posted by MotorWeek
    After the handling display, braking performance was a slight letdown. With lightweight two-piece cast iron/aluminum front hubs and rotors, complete with 8-piston calipers, and 4-piston calipers in the rear, certain stops were not an issue. But our average distance from 60 of 127 feet was not exceptionally short, and there was noticeable front end shimmy and very soft pedal feel.
    I wonder what happens to that shimmy at 170mph. Reckon it just goes away, or something?



    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    Not mentioned in the article is the CL65 of that particular two years has dual totally independent brake systems powering two independent sets of brake pads and calipers. Redundancy. No brake fade even at that level of stress. The 05-06s specifically designed to go a continuous 186 mph on the German highway with 4 passengers.
    Citation, please, from a neutral, objective source, and I would prefer test results for all kinds of driving conditions.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    I probably would be agreeing with some of this about high speed danger until I actually started researching (and driving) modern cars, and modern performance cars with modern tires and modern brakes and modern suspensions. Cars aren't what they used to be.

    A ZR1 going 170 on open road is safer than a 1960s car doing 100. And I'm not a Vette fan. I just recognize what they can do.
    99.99% of all cars on the road are not built to go anywhere near 170mph. Do you think there should be different speed limits for high-performance vehicles? Please keep in mind that at 170mph you are going to need a safety clearance of over two football fields distance, and at that speed most other drivers will have no idea you are anywhere around until you are right on top of them. Also, it wonít go over too well to suggest the speed demons get a whole lane to themselves, so donít even try it.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    That ZR1 driver is more likely by a factor of 1000 to be killed by someone coming thru an urban intersection in an SUV while texting or messing with the radio. No one else is endangered on an open road.
    If no one would be endangered on a open road by a car doing 170mph then how come thousands of people get hurt every year in open road accidents where no one was driving half that fast, and werenít texting or messing with the radio, either?



    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    Absolutely I would prefer a sober person doing 130 in a car suited for it than a drunk doing 70 in ANY vehicle.
    130mph to 70mph was not the comparison I made. I guess I have to repeat the whole damn thing or you will be confused again. Read it carefully this time:

    (from reply #322): "In order to compare the hazards of DUI and driving 100mph over the speed limit it is necessary to imagine equal infraction rates and environments- in other words for every person driving home drunk at 30 in a 30 from the neighborhood bar there is one person driving home sober at 130. Please don't try to tell me you would feel safer with the sober guy doing 130."

    The exact comparison in question was a drunk driving through your local neighborhood at 30mph in a 30mph zone, or a sober driver driving through your neighborhood at 100mph over the speed limit = 130mph.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko
    I've driven very fast (never 170), but I have NEVER driven DUI even slightly. Not in my life.
    Bad on the speed, good on the sobriety, now go ahead and sign up for that reading comprehension course.

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