View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The C5 was designed to have a low drag coefficient, the help boost top speed on straights. They were not hp monsters...even the LS6 powered Z had 400hp. In order for it to be competitive, the Chevy engineers compromised on downforce and high speed handling, in favor of greater acceleration at speed, and over all top speed. The C6 generates a lot more downforce, but maintains its formidable acceleration and top speed, because even the base model makes either 400 or 430, depending on year...and the mighty 427 powered Z packs a 505 hp punch. That's what the C6 Z can lap entire seconds ahead of the C5Z, even on tighter circuits, where the 100 extra ponies is less game breaking.


    I don't know why you are getting float at the nose at 90 mph, though. Have you altered anything on the body? Raised it or lowered it? It should be pretty firm at 90... My stock bodied '76 is planted, even at 120, the fastest I've ever gone in it. In fact, mine makes TOO much down force on the nose... It's twitchy at higher speeds...
    Unfortunately, the inherent shape of cars has the same air flow factors as aircraft wings. What is most important to avoid lift is to minimize air build up UNDER the car by 1.) keeping the car LOW and 2.) some front spoiler/air dam to try to create a low pressure zone rather than high pressure under the car. Top dollar cars actually have body works under the car to smooth it out and keep air from being disrupted by all the exhaust pipes and other maze of stuff under the car that interfere with air flow thus piling air under the car.

    This is also why many performance cars now have a method to raise or lower the car depending on usage... ordinary driving and slow driving - raise the car for ground clearance. For performance and high speed driving, drop the car down. Also those tend to allow independently raising and lowering the front and back, which also can be computer programmed to speed. At launch and low speed, you want the front high and the back low - to shift weight to the rear tires for traction. Then drop the front too at high speeds for reduced drag, less lift and lower center of gravity.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    The newest generation of cars are technologically amazing, but also particularly deceptive in details - particularly high performance cars.

    You will NOT get the horsepower advertised by just getting into the car and driving it. This is particularly true for supercharged and turbocharged cars. You won't even get advertised horsepower by putting it into "sport mode." You have to put it into "dyno mode" - and most manuals WON'T tell you how.

    Then there is the question of whether or not to use traction control? If you don't you can get more power. BUT if a really powerful car, it may be more like driving on ice than you can benefit from until you really get to know the car.

    Finally, there is the question of HOW important is maximum performance/power to you? You WILL realize SIGNIFICANT increases in horsepower, higher rpm shift points and torque - particularly torque (which few people even consider). The price? It is NOT just the hundreds or $2-3K you spend on the computer upgrading and OEM defeating. You also pay the price of losing your warranty. Even if you put the OEM unit back in before taking it in, the "black box" will know.

    SO is it worth it? On performance Mercedes, the increase in horsepower and torque can be dramatic by defeating the factory limits. BUT a new long block alone is going to cost you from $30K to $90K - so a tough choice if the car still in warranty or ANY new car - unless an exception allowed.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Most people don't realize that rear "wings" on their cars actually slow the car down. The energy used to make downforce also is areodynamic drag. The most notable example was the (then) fabulous Lambrogheni Contact - still one of the coolest exotics every made. It's top speed was 150 mph with the big rear wing and 160 mph without it.

    One justification Mercedes makes for their cars typically being 500 to 1000 pounds heavier than their performance counter parts, is Mercedes more relies on weight rather than ground effects wings and flares to keep the car down. While this reduced off-the-line launching due to higher weight, the faster a car goes the less important weight is and the more important areodynamics is. Thus, the fastest the Mercedes goes, the more advantage it has for lack of ground effects of lightweight cars.

    There are plenty of videos online of 65 series Mercedes in 1 kilometer (5/8ths mile) races where the Mercedes starts out and remains a few car lengths behind a Z06 or Lambrogheni, but will notably blow past those when they get much over 100 mph - because the Mercedes has piles of torque and far less areodynamic drag - with the extra 1/2 ton weight increasingly less relevant.

    A lightweight car with ground effects will out accelerate an identical heavier car without - but ultimately the heavier car without ground effects is faster. So what most matters to you? 0-100 mph? Or 100 mph+? Ideally, of course, you'd have unlimited power and ground effects, but other than maybe F1 race cars that isn't the case. Like nearly everything in life, performance issues are a collection of compromise and priority decisions.
    Mercedes is also not interested in making a true sports car...an all out, balls up front, pure performance machine. Me recedes employes the best engineers on the planet...if they wanted to build a car that can out lap a Ferrari FXX on the ring, or at Silverstone, they could. But they're not interested in that, nor are their customers. Closest thing me recedes has for uncompromising performance, other than the Sterling Moss, are the AMG black series...and they still fall within the bounds of luxury sport. Their cars are heavy because they have massaging seats, airbags everywhere, hand stitched leather, roomy back seats (!), and more bells and whistles than the delorean in back to the future. Even the Sterling Moss SLR is more about the experience, that chasing seconds around Nurburgring. Their last balls out sports car was the 190 evolution, and even THAT was rife with creature comforts.

    Toyota and Subaru have gone the same way now, I think. Instead of making speed machines, they focused on making cars that are fun. They brought back the tuner. Nissan, on the other hand, went with hardcore performance.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    My daily driver is a c5 Corvette. It's designed to run at 180 . . . on a track. I barely hit 100 on VA Route 15 and was floating. However, on I-66 is was a lot better. The thing is that the public roads just aren't engineered for that.



    Aren't those roads much, much better than our highways?



    Beautiful.



    A lot of highways have changes in elevation that aren't safe at 170 . . . you'd go airborne. Others, as you've said, aren't maintained. Not all highways are nice, smooth blacktop, either. There are still concrete or gravel/tar roads. On those rough roads, going over 90 in a C5 and you're floating a bit. You can still steer enough to change lanes slowly at 90, but if you needed to either stop, or change quickly, you'd be screwed. I wouldn't even try at 170. Not a chance.



    I was in Florida when the 55 limit was dropped, and Florida said they'd cap at 70 because Florida's highways were designed for 70 MPH traffic. Where'd you get the 100 MPH thing? Also, is that "go 100 in war conditions" or "go 100 safely".



    Not unless they're either very, very expensive or professionally tuned. My C5 is engineered to stay aerodynamically neutral. When some dumbass buys a wing at PepBoy's to stick on his car, there's not telling what it's going to do at 170. Might flatten his suspension, might lift his rear so he can't break.



    Mind you, I'm strongly in favor of relaxing traffic laws, just not that much. 170 on public roads is ridiculous.
    The 370z Sport does not have a float issue at 140, most sports cars and sporting cars that can go that speed should have factory spoilers, air dams, ground effects etc that should at least ensure neutral lift if not actual downforce at higher speeds. Porsche tends to have retractable spoilers.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    A highway patrol car on a good condition 4 lane divided highway with a 70 mph speed limit, no other cars on the highway in a remote area picks up a sole car doing 170 mph heading his way on the other side empty and flat open area 2 lanes. A new Corette ZR 1 designed to go 200 mph. When the officer pulls across the center medium, the ZR1 driver (no passenger) pulls over anticipating being stopped.

    What should the officer do and what should the penalty be?

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    The highway speed limit for the left lane should be removed, if there is a center divide. Go as fast as you want.

    The highway speed limit for the right lane should be 75-80mph.

    Penalty for "speeding" (it was once thought the human brain couldn't handle speeds over 40mph) should be whatever your insurance wants to levy. Don't like their penalty? Get a policy with a different company.

    10-15 over in a residential zone sould be a few days in jail, couple thousands fine, and 10-15 over in a school zone should be a felony.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I don't know why you are getting float at the nose at 90 mph, though. .
    Only on rough, ****ty highways. Basically gliding across the tops of all the little bumps. But that's the point: Highways aren't race tracks, and aren't meant to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The 370z Sport does not have a float issue at 140, most sports cars and sporting cars that can go that speed should have factory spoilers, air dams, ground effects etc that should at least ensure neutral lift if not actual downforce at higher speeds. Porsche tends to have retractable spoilers.
    Yes, but again, that's assuming a flat road. On track, or on a very nice, new stretch of highway? Sure. On VA Route 15 South (before they resurfaced it last year) . . . nope.

    I'm not doubting the cars. I'm doubting the roads. They're not designed for 170.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That is a beautiful car. I have always been a luxury car man. Cadillac, Imperial and station wagons.
    I just sold a fixer upper you would have liked, a 68 Chrysler 300 rag top, fixed up they are beautiful, here is a google pic:


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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I just sold a fixer upper you would have liked, a 68 Chrysler 300 rag top, fixed up they are beautiful, here is a google pic:

    That is a nice car, but I don't want any more convertibles. I love the front end on the '68 300.

    I am definately a Chrysler guy. I still have my first car. 1963 Plymouth Fury.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I just sold a fixer upper you would have liked, a 68 Chrysler 300 rag top, fixed up they are beautiful, here is a google pic:

    Buddy of mine in highschool rocked one of those. Red, black top, deep red interior. Nice cruiser.

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