View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

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Thread: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    I think speeding laws are too harsh, but 170 is ludicrous. Once you're over 120 the dynamics of driving change; you're barely in touch with the ground, and float as much as roll. At that speed, a pot hole or a small bump in the road can send you airborne. Also, although the road may be clear, at 170 you have very little steering control and very, very long stopping distance, so if there's someone over the next hill, or someone or something (like a deer) comes out of the woods onto the road, you have little power to avoid them. The potential for a deadly wreck is extremely high. Most highways are engineered to be safe at 70 or at 90, not at 170. If you want to go 170, find a track day somewhere. Doing it on public roads is not responsible.

    That said, in Virginia, you get jail time for 90 MPH. I think that's too steep. I don't think you should get time until at least 100, but probably more like 120. 90 should just be a steep ticket if the roads are clear.
    ALL INTERSTATES were designed so that military vehicles such as army trucks could go at least 100 mph. That was and is the legal standard, so you are wrong.

    You are wrong about cars becoming airborne the faster they go. That's true if you're driving a 1950s Olds Rocket 88. It does NOT apply to modern performance cars. They actually get heavily the faster they go due to ground effects (wings, flairs, spoilers and underbody structure.)

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Drag racing tracks amateur racing should be outlawed from allowing anything but street legal cars that at least met the minimal DOT safety standards. The NHRA should be declared an organized criminal organization. LOTS of people die drag racing on NHRA tracks to NHRA rules. So do spectators sometimes.

    The NHRA induces and rewards people for racing cars to 50 year old safety technology, while penalizing or even banning modern cars with modern safety design, structure and equipment.

    Does the NHRA require disc brakes? Hell no.
    Does the NHRA require tires rated for the speed? Absolutely not.
    Does the NHRA require automatic fuel and electric cut off if the car rolls? No.
    What about airbags? Absolutely not.
    Anti-lock brakes? No.
    Hell, you can run bicycle tires on the front in a car that will roll at 0.25 g forces at 250 mph - and that's a-ok to the NHRA.

    The NHRA wants old farts to keep racing their old cars decade after decade that are 1000% more dangerous than ANY modern production car and far more than that for any performance modern car.

    Old farts love the NHRA. The NHRA allows them to think their cars - that couldn't do jack**** on the street, aren't street legal in any fashion, and are dangerous-as-hell dinosaurs are cool super fast cars.

    Most younger drivers increasingly despise the NHRA because modern, street legal, safe high performance cars are banned - so the old farts don't look bad.

    So to the HNRA if a guy bolts a cheap 8 point roll cage in his 1976 Malibu that he's stripped down, has a fuel and electric cut off switch that someone could eventually maybe get to cut off them off, and has a helmet and fire jacket by a company that paid a cut to the NHRA, and seatbelts that paid a fee to the NHRA, he can do really fast with ain't-worth-**** drum brakes, any amount of structure removed regardless of lost integrity, and have 2 inch wide tires up front over inflated and under inflated rear tires... and that's a-ok.

    But try to race a late model Roush Mustang with no more than nitrous and DOT legal racing rear tires? Per NHRA rules they will declare "It's TOO DANGEROUS!" That Mustang has huge disc brakes, automatic fuel and electrical system cut off it air bags deployed - and it has air bags - and the body center section is very heavily constructed.

    But someone with the same motor in a 1964 Fairlane that has all but worthless drum brakes, no airbags, and a chassis cutup, not safety glass, no rollover or accident fuel or electric cutoff, that can't steer if it goes 5 degrees off straightline -all by someone probably who didn't graduate from high school deciding he's an automobile engineers. That is what NHRA wants on their tracks.

    And You Tube is filled with videos of those old dinosaurs losing entire front axle assembles and rear ends, crashing off walls, flipping, and burning.

    This is profitable to the NHRA. They make money off the required crap that has their certification sticker. The old farts racing those cast iron dinosaurs FEEL like they are daredevils driving their death traps and it attracts spectators who love to see accidents.

    Such old farts of those iron and steel dinosaurs - believing the start of art in automotive performance is a Holley Dominator carb and roller rockers - do NOT want modern cars on the tracks. Because they'd blow their old otherwise worthless cars away.

    And they will go into total blind rage at anyone going fast off track too. Why? Their cars are so damn dangerous and so illegal they CAN'T drive them on the street. And if they did make their cars street legal - even the decades old standards of their old machines they just keep "racing" decade after decade? Modern street performance cars would blow them away - shattering their self protected illusions.

    Amateur drag racing cars should meet roadway safety standards to be allowed to race. Only professionals in exhibition races should be allowed otherwise. How many hundreds, thousands, of people have been killed or hurt under NHRA anti-safety rules?

    Want to hear old FART NHRA racers rage? Demand that cars on NHRA tracks meet minimal modern automotive safety standards. They'll go BERSERK!

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Don't get me wrong. They should allow ANTIQUE CAR racing of those dangerous ancient cars by amateurs, provided they meet minimal DOT safety standards and are street legal. But REAL amateur racing should be about modern, street legal cars both stock and built up. Non-street legal drag racing should be limited to professional racing.
    Last edited by joko104; 10-22-13 at 03:52 PM.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your braking distance stats are grossly outdated. My CL65, a relatively heavy car, will come to a stop from 70 in under 150 feet. From 170 in 1/3rd the distance you claim. Those old braking charts are just that. Ancient.

    Interesting your defense of DUI by comparison.
    That calculator didn't even take into account weight of vehicle, tires (composition or condition), braking system, road surface, road condition, etc, etc.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    That calculator didn't even take into account weight of vehicle, tires (composition or condition), braking system, road surface, road condition, etc, etc.
    Such a chart likely is from some 1950s state issued driving training manual that they just keep reprinting.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That '77 Eldorado had a 425 Cubic Inch V8 which put out 195 horsepower when new. That was a huge car to pull with so few horse power.

    If it was a '76 it would have had the 500 but with 215 horsepower.

    As a comparison, the 1970 Eldorado had the 500 cubic inch engine and that had 400 horsepower when new.

    That was a fun car to burn the front tires down to nothing. Hard to see through the smoke though.
    thats hp. For seat of the pants feel, especially in a boat, it's torque that matters. And big blocks make torque, period.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    LOL...

    You are taking this entirely too far.

    Besides, I said "twist that makes it to the wheels."

    You cannot violate the laws of physics. One tire will have more force on it than the other.
    Well, he's talking about tube frame cars, now. Non street legal. With a solid rear, a good locking diff, yeah, those are gonna lay straight power. But they have to be trailored to the track. Not my cup o tea.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Drag racing tracks amateur racing should be outlawed from allowing anything but street legal cars that at least met the minimal DOT safety standards. The NHRA should be declared an organized criminal organization. LOTS of people die drag racing on NHRA tracks to NHRA rules. So do spectators sometimes.

    The NHRA induces and rewards people for racing cars to 50 year old safety technology, while penalizing or even banning modern cars with modern safety design, structure and equipment.

    Does the NHRA require disc brakes? Hell no.
    Does the NHRA require tires rated for the speed? Absolutely not.
    Does the NHRA require automatic fuel and electric cut off if the car rolls? No.
    What about airbags? Absolutely not.
    Anti-lock brakes? No.
    Hell, you can run bicycle tires on the front in a car that will roll at 0.25 g forces at 250 mph - and that's a-ok to the NHRA.

    The NHRA wants old farts to keep racing their old cars decade after decade that are 1000% more dangerous than ANY modern production car and far more than that for any performance modern car.

    Old farts love the NHRA. The NHRA allows them to think their cars - that couldn't do jack**** on the street, aren't street legal in any fashion, and are dangerous-as-hell dinosaurs are cool super fast cars.

    Most younger drivers increasingly despise the NHRA because modern, street legal, safe high performance cars are banned - so the old farts don't look bad.

    So to the HNRA if a guy bolts a cheap 8 point roll cage in his 1976 Malibu that he's stripped down, has a fuel and electric cut off switch that someone could eventually maybe get to cut off them off, and has a helmet and fire jacket by a company that paid a cut to the NHRA, and seatbelts that paid a fee to the NHRA, he can do really fast with ain't-worth-**** drum brakes, any amount of structure removed regardless of lost integrity, and have 2 inch wide tires up front over inflated and under inflated rear tires... and that's a-ok.

    But try to race a late model Roush Mustang with no more than nitrous and DOT legal racing rear tires? Per NHRA rules they will declare "It's TOO DANGEROUS!" That Mustang has huge disc brakes, automatic fuel and electrical system cut off it air bags deployed - and it has air bags - and the body center section is very heavily constructed.

    But someone with the same motor in a 1964 Fairlane that has all but worthless drum brakes, no airbags, and a chassis cutup, not safety glass, no rollover or accident fuel or electric cutoff, that can't steer if it goes 5 degrees off straightline -all by someone probably who didn't graduate from high school deciding he's an automobile engineers. That is what NHRA wants on their tracks.

    And You Tube is filled with videos of those old dinosaurs losing entire front axle assembles and rear ends, crashing off walls, flipping, and burning.

    This is profitable to the NHRA. They make money off the required crap that has their certification sticker. The old farts racing those cast iron dinosaurs FEEL like they are daredevils driving their death traps and it attracts spectators who love to see accidents.

    Such old farts of those iron and steel dinosaurs - believing the start of art in automotive performance is a Holley Dominator carb and roller rockers - do NOT want modern cars on the tracks. Because they'd blow their old otherwise worthless cars away.

    And they will go into total blind rage at anyone going fast off track too. Why? Their cars are so damn dangerous and so illegal they CAN'T drive them on the street. And if they did make their cars street legal - even the decades old standards of their old machines they just keep "racing" decade after decade? Modern street performance cars would blow them away - shattering their self protected illusions.

    Amateur drag racing cars should meet roadway safety standards to be allowed to race. Only professionals in exhibition races should be allowed otherwise. How many hundreds, thousands, of people have been killed or hurt under NHRA anti-safety rules?

    Want to hear old FART NHRA racers rage? Demand that cars on NHRA tracks meet minimal modern automotive safety standards. They'll go BERSERK!
    Ahhhummm, bull****.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Don't get me wrong. They should allow ANTIQUE CAR racing of those dangerous ancient cars by amateurs, provided they meet minimal DOT safety standards and are street legal. But REAL amateur racing should be about modern, street legal cars both stock and built up. Non-street legal drag racing should be limited to professional racing.
    You have gone off the deep end. People die racing in all sorts of racing. But the NHRA has a superior record of safety at its tracks nation wide.
    You have offered nothing but raging hyperbole. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of passes are made each year at NHRA sanctioned tracks and very very few people are injured or die. Probably more kids playing sports are hurt than in all of racing every year.
    Start backing up your insane claims with some real data.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Well, he's talking about tube frame cars, now. Non street legal. With a solid rear, a good locking diff, yeah, those are gonna lay straight power. But they have to be trailored to the track. Not my cup o tea.
    Tube frame cars can be street legal. Mine was. Drove mine all over Daytona for Turkey Rod runs every years.

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