View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    I think speeding laws are too harsh, but 170 is ludicrous. Once you're over 120 the dynamics of driving change; you're barely in touch with the ground, and float as much as roll. At that speed, a pot hole or a small bump in the road can send you airborne. Also, although the road may be clear, at 170 you have very little steering control and very, very long stopping distance, so if there's someone over the next hill, or someone or something (like a deer) comes out of the woods onto the road, you have little power to avoid them. The potential for a deadly wreck is extremely high. Most highways are engineered to be safe at 70 or at 90, not at 170. If you want to go 170, find a track day somewhere. Doing it on public roads is not responsible.

    That said, in Virginia, you get jail time for 90 MPH. I think that's too steep. I don't think you should get time until at least 100, but probably more like 120. 90 should just be a steep ticket if the roads are clear.
    You obviously have never driven a car designed to go that fast.

    I had my '77 Firebird in Germany. It had all the TA body parts on it. My daily drive was from Gaertringen to Vaihingen. I would normally cruise a nice safe, and with the faster traffic, at about 130 MPH... Daily...

    Anyway, one day, I curbed the air dam and removed it for repairs. That is when the car started to float. The car was useless at high speeds until I put the air dam back on. It had a very solid feel on the road, with the air dam.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I gather by your retirement comment that you are basically an old guy sitting at home raging...
    OK so far.

    I have good reason to rage- against my own generation for the damn poor results of the part we played in raising and educating generations XYZ, most of whom turned out too stupid to chew gum and walk at the same time.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ...against people who drive fast. Nothing new about people driving fast.
    Not OK.

    OP concerns the exceptional case of driving speeds 100 mph over the limit. Think you got it now, Junior?



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Anyone driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs is more dangerous than someone driving 170 on an open flat road at 170 in a new ZR1. Doing 170 in a ZR1 is safer than was someone doing 100 in a 1952 Oldsmobile Rocket 88. So is running a redlight or going 10 over in a school zone. By your standards, at least 50,000,000 people should have be convicted of felony traffic violations as the first offense.
    I am not going to go along with you on DUI being more dangerous than driving 100 over the limit. I guess I need to explain why because you sure as hell aren't the kind of person who can figure it out for himself.

    In order to compare the hazards of DUI and driving 100mph over the speed limit it is necessary to imagine equal infraction rates and environments- in other words for every person driving home drunk at 30 in a 30 from the neighborhood bar there is one person driving home sober at 130. Please don't try to tell me you would feel safer with the sober guy doing 130.

    Nor is there any reason to prefer the DUI under perfect conditions. Braking distance at 70mph is about 234 feet, and at 170mph is about 1381 feet (see link: Stopping (Braking) Distance Calculator ). After adding reaction time even a 70mph DUI might be able to stop before hitting an obstacle 1000 feet away, but it would be physically impossible for a cold sober 170mph driver to do so.

    As for the DUI issue in general, I am all for increased penalties, possibly including 1st offence felony charges for people who are way over the limit. It might not be necessary to go that far, though. I understand that the Scandinavian (there's a word for you to look up!) countries have nearly cured their DUI problems with severe penalties which usually stop short of felony equivalent. One thing the US needs to get over is the aversion against even considering adopting policy of other countries. If something has been shown to work elsewhere we should try it ourselves, and that definitely includes anti-DUI legislation.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are a lot of old folks around here (Florida) and the list of things they really don't like and bitch about that younger people do is endless.
    Old folks everywhere have an endless list of legitimate bitches about the nitwit, clueless hordes of generation XYZers who still need help tying their shoelaces.



    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They can go berserk if someone's grass gets to tall. Bitchy old people who want everyone who does anything they don't do put in prison.
    For most offenses I would prefer mandatory remedial schooling before prison. As in you go back and really study, and really learn all that stuff you missed while you were texting, listening to music, playing video games, picking your nose, and feeling yourself off in class.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    The person who committed the offense should have their licensed to void so they have to get another one ( have them spend 5 hours at the DMV ) That will teach em
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    This is my latest project, so far it is just a good loud driver

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    The person who committed the offense should have their licensed to void so they have to get another one ( have them spend 5 hours at the DMV ) That will teach em
    5 hours only to be told their insurance card was out of date. Come back tomorrow.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You obviously have never driven a car designed to go that fast.

    I had my '77 Firebird in Germany. It had all the TA body parts on it. My daily drive was from Gaertringen to Vaihingen. I would normally cruise a nice safe, and with the faster traffic, at about 130 MPH... Daily...

    Anyway, one day, I curbed the air dam and removed it for repairs. That is when the car started to float. The car was useless at high speeds until I put the air dam back on. It had a very solid feel on the road, with the air dam.
    My 92 Z28 squatted nicely at speed. You could actually feel it squatting down. Unfortunately, the original T-Tops were Lexan, and those didn't hold up at high speeds but flexed. Had to replace them with glass. No way that thing floated. I generally only went to around 120 or so myself. And I didn't go airborne on a few minor pot holes or road joints that had expanded a bit.

    The car needs a brake upgrade for going higher though. The feel of them was just off, felt to weak the higher I went. That is why I generally stayed down around 120, even though 130 was easily possible.

    But I know what he means on cars not designed for high speed. I have had floating on some of those even at lower speeds.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    My 92 Z28 squatted nicely at speed. You could actually feel it squatting down. Unfortunately, the original T-Tops were Lexan, and those didn't hold up at high speeds but flexed. Had to replace them with glass. No way that thing floated. I generally only went to around 120 or so myself. And I didn't go airborne on a few minor pot holes or road joints that had expanded a bit.

    The car needs a brake upgrade for going higher though. The feel of them was just off, felt to weak the higher I went. That is why I generally stayed down around 120, even though 130 was easily possible.

    But I know what he means on cars not designed for high speed. I have had floating on some of those even at lower speeds.
    LOL...

    I lost all the chrome window stripping the first time I put my foot in it, The air at those speeds ripped it right off.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Most highways are engineered to be safe at 70 or at 90, not at 170.
    Highway design is not really an issue except entry and exits. Highway quality is a real issue though. Americas highways are actually some of the best designed in the world, just poorly maintained and not enough planing done on getting on and off.

    Capability of the vehicle and driver along with actions of other drivers are the real issues with safety and no design is ever going to take that away.

    Whether it was safe to that driver, I don't really care about. It is only safety to others that should be concern. If you do 170 and hit a deer, oh well, you made that choice. If you do 170 and hit someone else, that is where it becomes a problem. Of course, if you are doing 30 and cut off someone doing 70, you are just as guilty of endangering others as someone driving 170 on an empty road, more so actually.

    Speed is never the cause of an accident. Human actions are the cause, not the speed. Speed only controls the severity of impact not whether an accident will actually happen.
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Everyone should be put in prison at least 2 or 3 times. That is what the American revolution was about. The King of England was way, way too lenient.

    Since running a redlight, driving with worn tires, tail-lights out, and speeding in crowded traffic all could kill someone and is more dangerous than someone driving along super fast across an empty desert. Thus, some on this thread think all those people also should be in prison, no license and no vehicle. Tens of millions of people in prison.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    OK so far.

    I have good reason to rage- against my own generation for the damn poor results of the part we played in raising and educating generations XYZ, most of whom turned out too stupid to chew gum and walk at the same time.




    Not OK.

    OP concerns the exceptional case of driving speeds 100 mph over the limit. Think you got it now, Junior?




    I am not going to go along with you on DUI being more dangerous than driving 100 over the limit. I guess I need to explain why because you sure as hell aren't the kind of person who can figure it out for himself.

    In order to compare the hazards of DUI and driving 100mph over the speed limit it is necessary to imagine equal infraction rates and environments- in other words for every person driving home drunk at 30 in a 30 from the neighborhood bar there is one person driving home sober at 130. Please don't try to tell me you would feel safer with the sober guy doing 130.

    Nor is there any reason to prefer the DUI under perfect conditions. Braking distance at 70mph is about 234 feet, and at 170mph is about 1381 feet (see link: Stopping (Braking) Distance Calculator ). After adding reaction time even a 70mph DUI might be able to stop before hitting an obstacle 1000 feet away, but it would be physically impossible for a cold sober 170mph driver to do so.

    As for the DUI issue in general, I am all for increased penalties, possibly including 1st offence felony charges for people who are way over the limit. It might not be necessary to go that far, though. I understand that the Scandinavian (there's a word for you to look up!) countries have nearly cured their DUI problems with severe penalties which usually stop short of felony equivalent. One thing the US needs to get over is the aversion against even considering adopting policy of other countries. If something has been shown to work elsewhere we should try it ourselves, and that definitely includes anti-DUI legislation.




    Old folks everywhere have an endless list of legitimate bitches about the nitwit, clueless hordes of generation XYZers who still need help tying their shoelaces.




    For most offenses I would prefer mandatory remedial schooling before prison. As in you go back and really study, and really learn all that stuff you missed while you were texting, listening to music, playing video games, picking your nose, and feeling yourself off in class.
    Your braking distance stats are grossly outdated. My CL65, a relatively heavy car, will come to a stop from 70 in under 150 feet. From 170 in 1/3rd the distance you claim. Those old braking charts are just that. Ancient.

    Interesting your defense of DUI by comparison.

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