View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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Thread: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Well, I never said a car couldn't be built to come off "square and level." My 2002 WS6 comes off very strait for a production car compared to what my 1977 would. Granted, stock, and they are between 300 HP and 400 HP, but I feel the difference. I know a proper suspension will do so much better, and that the torque makes a large difference.

    I take offense to you suggesting I watch shows like "Farm Truck." I didn't even know such a show exists, and i don't watch such programs anyway.

    Again...

    I said you cannot eliminate it 100% I also said you can minimize it without qualifying that. Instead of choosing to agree or disagree with me, you took the low road in my view, implying disagreement. I think we both actually agree...
    You dont know Farm Truck & AZN, Murder Nova from the TV show. Oklahoma City Street racing ie, Street Outlaws, where they actually do have some damn fast cars. But like fools run them on the streets in high stakes drag racing.
    Its like Honey Boo Boo with cars, totally idiotic and gives real drag racers a very bad name.
    I also think you and I are talking two different things. Your 4th gen bird, like mine are not race cars, they are street cars. There is a difference.
    My bird being a hard top is actually quite stiff for a unibody car, but with all the factory suspension short of some BMR parts comes out pretty level with the OG LT1. Now with the motor from my old MC I suspect things will be different.
    I plan on a full K member, 32" laddar bars, narrowed 9", 4.86 gears, th400 or T56. I have also taken about 150 lbs off the front of the car with full removal of the A/C system.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB
    You dont know Farm Truck & AZN, Murder Nova from the TV show. Oklahoma City Street racing ie, Street Outlaws, where they actually do have some damn fast cars. But like fools run them on the streets in high stakes drag racing.
    Its like Honey Boo Boo with cars, totally idiotic and gives real drag racers a very bad name.
    Sorry, I don't watch TV shows. I have better things to do than live through other people.


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB
    I also think you and I are talking two different things. Your 4th gen bird, like mine are not race cars, they are street cars. There is a difference.
    Why do you think I don't understand this?

    OK, let me get this strait...

    You claim you can eliminate 100% of the twist... Right...


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB
    My bird being a hard top is actually quite stiff for a unibody car, but with all the factory suspension short of some BMR parts comes out pretty level with the OG LT1. Now with the motor from my old MC I suspect things will be different.
    My '77 was a hardtop, the Esprit with the Old's engine. Of course, my WS6 is a T-Top.


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB
    I plan on a full K member, 32" laddar bars, narrowed 9", 4.86 gears, th400 or T56. I have also taken about 150 lbs off the front of the car with full removal of the A/C system.
    That's great, but there newer/better transmissions than the Th400. I forget... is it the TH740?

    I loved the T56 I had in my Z28, but I assume you will chose a closer ratio than stock provides. You know, 6th is a 0.5 overdrive...

    I don't care about such things today. I'm good with a 100% stock WS6. A HS buddy of mine likes playing in his shop. He owns a shop and last time I visited, he was making modifications to put a 13B in an Auston Healy.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Sorry, I don't watch TV shows. I have better things to do than live through other people.



    Why do you think I don't understand this?

    OK, let me get this strait...

    You claim you can eliminate 100% of the twist... Right...



    My '77 was a hardtop, the Esprit with the Old's engine. Of course, my WS6 is a T-Top.



    That's great, but there newer/better transmissions than the Th400. I forget... is it the TH740?

    I loved the T56 I had in my Z28, but I assume you will chose a closer ratio than stock provides. You know, 6th is a 0.5 overdrive...

    I don't care about such things today. I'm good with a 100% stock WS6. A HS buddy of mine likes playing in his shop. He owns a shop and last time I visited, he was making modifications to put a 13B in an Auston Healy.
    Nothing is more bullet proof than a TH 400 unless you go to a Jeffco or Lenco trans. I will not be making enough power to justify that level of manual trans. A T56 can be built to take up to 650hp pretty easy if a stick is the way to go.
    And yes, you can eliminate 100% of frame twist with a proper suspension and chassis. Watch NHRA Pro Stockers, the only time many of them come off torquing over is due to side wall flex of the rear tires.
    The forces that cause frame twist can never be made to go away, but they can be mitigated to nearly un noticable with a proper built chassis and suspension.
    Any thing short of a full tube 25.3 chassis will twist and screw itself. But usually you are talking about a street car. Like many of the older NHRA or nostagia Super Stock type cars. Modern suspension building techniques will eliminate torquing over by way of chassis design.
    Also, a 2nd gen F body is nothing like a 4th gen F body. Totally different cars. Gen 2 cars were notoriously flimsy from the factory.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    SFI 25.3 Cert: Keeping up with Heavy Horsepower
    Read this on chassis building to the latest spec. Look at the chassis geometry and tell me how you are going to twist that. That chassis is I think good for 2500 hp per SFI spec.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Name of professional builders shop.
    It is his own shop and he has a team building his cars.

    I am in Mexico and I doubt you would know who he was.

    He was killed recently, so he is not racing anymore.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't know much about cars but I do know the sound of the older ones were very impressive. One of the coolest cars I've ever road in was a 76? maybe 77 Cadillac Eldorado convertible that had been chopped to a two-seater. It had that "deep throat meaty V8" sound and man could it go.
    That '77 Eldorado had a 425 Cubic Inch V8 which put out 195 horsepower when new. That was a huge car to pull with so few horse power.

    If it was a '76 it would have had the 500 but with 215 horsepower.

    As a comparison, the 1970 Eldorado had the 500 cubic inch engine and that had 400 horsepower when new.

    That was a fun car to burn the front tires down to nothing. Hard to see through the smoke though.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    SFI 25.3 Cert: Keeping up with Heavy Horsepower
    Read this on chassis building to the latest spec. Look at the chassis geometry and tell me how you are going to twist that. That chassis is I think good for 2500 hp per SFI spec.
    LOL...

    You are taking this entirely too far.

    Besides, I said "twist that makes it to the wheels."

    You cannot violate the laws of physics. One tire will have more force on it than the other.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    A 88 Mustang is an older car, Fox body mustang in 1988 is no different than in 1979. That is 34 years old.
    An older car is body on frame, as far as I am concerned.

    The '88 Mustang was new fangled crap.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That '77 Eldorado had a 425 Cubic Inch V8 which put out 195 horsepower when new. That was a huge car to pull with so few horse power.

    If it was a '76 it would have had the 500 but with 215 horsepower.

    As a comparison, the 1970 Eldorado had the 500 cubic inch engine and that had 400 horsepower when new.

    That was a fun car to burn the front tires down to nothing. Hard to see through the smoke though.
    That 195 HP was the advertised SAE net power. Not actual.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Hatred and extremism have no business in justice...
    We do need better driver training, and a better people...
    In other words, I am only groping as to a fitting and proper punishment.
    I suppose that hatred and extremism are subjective. The topic is driving substantially (and thus presumably dangerously) over the speed limit. I've done it myself although in my dotage I've become quite law abiding in these matters. I have a poor opinion of "locking people up" as a form of punishment. I think that we do need to discourage extremely dangerous behaviors.

    I'm well aware that:
    10% of your last years income. I think this is a European concept but I can't remember which country.
    or
    12 hours in stocks with no food or water. You'll live but you won't speed again.
    or
    one lash of a cane (Singapore style). You'll live but you won't speed again.
    isn't very likely but I think it's a good idea that would work.

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