View Poll Results: What should happen for the over 20mph violation example given?

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  • Acknowledge the no-traffic and quality of vehicle in consideration.

    6 8.82%
  • Severe chastizing but only written warning.

    4 5.88%
  • A ticket, but written for under 20 over due to circumstance.

    2 2.94%
  • Write a ticket for over 20 mph but under 100 mph

    3 4.41%
  • Write a ticket forthe full 170 mph

    22 32.35%
  • A huge $$ fine

    15 22.06%
  • Permanently seize car and forfeture it.

    3 4.41%
  • Jail time

    3 4.41%
  • Suspend driver's license for 1 year

    7 10.29%
  • Suspend driver's license for years.

    3 4.41%
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Thread: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Quite

    The Nissan GTR with 545 hp, large tires all around, launch control and 4 wheel drive can hit the 1/4 mile in 10.8.

    I doubt a Dodge Challenger even with a supercharger is going to be able to hit 10.99 or less
    You should look at the NHRA records racing stock car class. Specifically, a 1969 Camaro and a 2002 Firebird have both broke the 10 second mark. (or was that 9 seconds?)

    Old US muscle cars are generally underrated, and measured at the wheel.

    There are quite a few rules in the stock car class, and these naturally aspirated V8's most definitely broke that 545 HP mark.

    Your 4WD is nice but adds weight with the added drivetrain parts. RWD is the only way to go for a quarter mile car.

    Now I could be wrong, but I always thought that saying "10 second car" meant breaking 10 seconds. Not breaking 11 seconds...
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    A buddy of mine had a 9 second Barracuda and it takes the smallest of things to put you into the wall with that much power, and he did twice.

    I decided 12 seconds is the fastest I want to go in a 1/4 mile.
    LOL....

    Yep, these cars want to stand, twist, and pivot on one tire!

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Thats called poor suspension set up and or poor driver skills.
    Could be bad track prep, but if you can build a 9 second car. You should know the track conditions before running.
    Really?

    Equal and opposite effects... Do you know physics?

    The engine torque twists the body, placing more weight on one tire than the other. Even the best drivers have a tough time compensating for this.

    This is the only place the sideways engine has an advantage. The Evolution turns the engine the opposite direction from most front wheel cars to help with the torque problem.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    170 is not safe on an open road.
    Tracks vs roads.
    Tracks get walk down inspections every event.
    Tracks get swept every event.
    Tracks get cleared of debris before every event.
    Tracks get prepped every event.
    Tracks have safety and medical staff on site every time they are open.
    Tracks have guardrails to keep the cars on the track surface in the event of an out of control car.
    Tracks don't have pot holes, wash outs, puddles, slower traffic.
    Highways are not prepped.
    Not inspected before every days runnings.
    Not cleared of debris.
    Not closed off to other traffic merging.
    Not guard railed usually.
    And no med staff on hand everywhere some bone head decides to leg it out.
    Oh, and if that officer died in a wreck trying to catch said 170 driver. That is a manslaughter charge on him. Happened here in Florida a few years ago with a FHP officer losing control going after a Bike vs Porsche that were clocked at 150+.
    I do know all these things...so why "preach" .
    My limit would be 90, now 70, as I am 73..
    I favor the full 170 fine for this risk taker , its not a perfect world , in any manner....
    Smart police will use the speed of radio waves to nab a speeder, no Dick Tracy cowboys need apply..

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    You should look at the NHRA records racing stock car class. Specifically, a 1969 Camaro and a 2002 Firebird have both broke the 10 second mark. (or was that 9 seconds?)

    Old US muscle cars are generally underrated, and measured at the well.

    There are quite a few rules in the stock car class, and these naturally aspirated V8's most definitely broke that 545 HP mark.

    Your 4WD is nice but adds weight with the added drivetrain parts. RWD is the only way to go for a quarter mile car.

    Now I could be wrong, but I always thought that saying "10 second car" meant breaking 10 seconds. Not breaking 11 seconds...
    I was going under the assumption that a modern Dodge Challenger with the 5.7 V8 Hemi, with a supercharger, with close to stock size tires (even if they are drag tires) would not be able to break 10 sec. It was I believed a car not purely set up for the drag strip. Chevy and Ford offer versions of the Camaro and Mustang set up for drag racing, that with the proper engine I am sure could. But a Challenger with the only changes being a supercharger and smallish drag slicks I doubt could.

    The only reason I brought up the GTR is because of modern non speciality (ie Copo Camaro) production cars it is about the fastest accerating ones out there. It is not optimized for drag racing, but is good at it. It was meant to be a comparison of how unlikely it would be for the 2007+ Challenger to be a 10 sec car
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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Really?

    Equal and opposite effects... Do you know physics?

    The engine torque twists the body, placing more weight on one tire than the other. Even the best drivers have a tough time compensating for this.

    This is the only place the sideways engine has an advantage. The Evolution turns the engine the opposite direction from most front wheel cars to help with the torque problem.
    Really? Do you know race car geometry? And people that drag race front wheel drive cars are idiots.
    I suggest you go to a NHRA event and show me where 500inch prostock cars are coming off the line in screw fashion.
    Proper suspension tuning will prevent that, the more a car twists off the line, the slower its going.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do know all these things...so why "preach" .
    My limit would be 90, now 70, as I am 73..
    I favor the full 170 fine for this risk taker , its not a perfect world , in any manner....
    Smart police will use the speed of radio waves to nab a speeder, no Dick Tracy cowboys need apply..
    I preach because I have seen the results of idiots killing themselves and others doing top end runs for fun. And if you knew how thin the FHP is, you would know that early in the am there is little the radio is going to do at those speeds with off ramps every few miles.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Really? Do you know race car geometry? And people that drag race front wheel drive cars are idiots.
    I suggest you go to a NHRA event and show me where 500inch prostock cars are coming off the line in screw fashion.
    Proper suspension tuning will prevent that, the more a car twists off the line, the slower its going.
    There is still always some twist on the RWD configuration.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I was going under the assumption that a modern Dodge Challenger with the 5.7 V8 Hemi, with a supercharger, with close to stock size tires (even if they are drag tires) would not be able to break 10 sec. It was I believed a car not purely set up for the drag strip. Chevy and Ford offer versions of the Camaro and Mustang set up for drag racing, that with the proper engine I am sure could. But a Challenger with the only changes being a supercharger and smallish drag slicks I doubt could.

    The only reason I brought up the GTR is because of modern non speciality (ie Copo Camaro) production cars it is about the fastest accerating ones out there. It is not optimized for drag racing, but is good at it. It was meant to be a comparison of how unlikely it would be for the 2007+ Challenger to be a 10 sec car
    None of them are set up for drag racing from the factory.
    Camaro is a IRS car, Challenger is an IRS car, Mustang still uses a solid rear axle.
    The COPO Camaro uses a Dana 60 rear if Iam correct, but that is a very rare car that you pay well over 70K for.
    Even Vettes that get alot of drag time go through bearing hubs, CVs, ujoints and rear end parts like there is no tomorrow.

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    Re: What should be penalty for 20mph+ over limit speeding?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There is still always some twist on the RWD configuration.
    Please, read some chassis building books and the NHRA rule book before commenting further.
    Chassis twist is the result of a poorly built car. Period.

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